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What do people make of this BBC News video?

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  • November 2, 2017 at 2:15 pm #27804
    DaveE128

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-41839086/mother-releases-dangerous-game-cycle-crash-film-as-warning

    So the child is clearly at fault for riding on the wrong side of the road. The wheelie doesn’t help. But does that make it ok for the driver to plough into them when they could easily have slowed or stopped?

    The highway code says in the introduction to rules 103-158 “Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.”

    It seems to me that the driver was either (i) keen to teach the child a lesson by scaring them with a 1.2 tonne metal object, but was too incompetent  to actually stop in time, or (ii) keen to teach the child a lesson by hitting them with a 1.2 tonne metal object.

    Which of the two people is more irresponsible and puerile? Which could reasonably be expected to display such behaviour at their age?

    I am glad to note that only bruising was suffered. Maybe we should all wear hoodies? yes

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  • November 3, 2017 at 2:19 pm #905499
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    Cannon

    I thought exactly the same

    I thought exactly the same when I saw this video.  Goes without saying that the wheelie on the worng side of the road was foolish (albeit skillful, these guys have them down), but i can’t fathom how the driver still managed to hit him (with such a clear view) and at a reasonable speed.

    November 3, 2017 at 1:40 pm #905497
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    Grahamd

    I think the kids are confused

    I think the kids are confused; somebody told them about new self driving cars with collision avoidance systems so they thought they would be safe.

    November 3, 2017 at 1:02 pm #905495
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    Daveyraveygravey
    PRSboy wrote:
    A rider deliberately rides his bike at a car in a game of chicken, and we are blaming the driver?? Come on…

    If you watch the beginning, the driver (who I understand from another source to be a pregnant mum) avoided one rider by swerving to the left, to be confronted with the other rider.  She was stationary at the point of impact.  Even at 20mph it takes 12 metres to react and brake to a stop.

     

    I agree, the car was hardly moving at all.  The little shit was lucky he got away with bruising.

    November 3, 2017 at 12:27 pm #905493
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    alansmurphy

    davel wrote:

    davel wrote:
     In my day it was illegal raves, Es and speed, which the conservative media also lost its shit about… But kids pulling wheelies. Really…?

     

    Davel I don’t condone your performance enhancing drugs and worry that your suggestion may lead to compulsary glo sticks and whistles for cyclists!

     

    November 3, 2017 at 10:25 am #905491
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    davel

    HLaB wrote:

    HLaB wrote:

    Natrix wrote:
    Difficult to judge, looks as if driver tried to swerve to avoid the cyclist. Quite possibly too scared to stop in the middle of a ‘gang’ of hoodies……………….

    Always dangerous to do but reading one of the post about it being a pregnant woman, I’m puting two and two together and you may have something here; I severely doubt it was someone as per the original post ‘teaching a lesson’ 🙂

    I appreciate we (myself absolutely included) opened the door labelled ‘speculation’ long ago, and are now having a proper party on the other side, but while we’re here…

    This (hoodiephobia) is the only viable explanation to me. Continue to drive because I don’t want to stop amongst these wheelieing hoodies who’ve probably come back from mugging old ladies while high on M-cat, or maybe even kicking a ball around in a public place.

    And yet… If I was in the midst of a bunch of undesirables, whose presence I so feared that I risked driving THROUGH one of them to avoid it, and I accidentally collided with one of these ne’erdowells… They’d be angry, wouldn’t they. I’d better high-tail it out of there before they drag me out of the car. Fuck it – I’ve already hit one of them and I’m scared. I’m up the kerb and away.

    But no, it’s more ‘He’ll stop in a bit. Any second now. Oh shit – he isn’t stopping. Why isn’t he stopping? No, you need to put your front wheel down to steer with it, you spanner. OK, I’ve stopped and he’s on the bonnet.’

    November 3, 2017 at 9:24 am #905489
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    HLaB
    Natrix wrote:
    Difficult to judge, looks as if driver tried to swerve to avoid the cyclist. Quite possibly too scared to stop in the middle of a ‘gang’ of hoodies……………….

    Always dangerous to do but reading one of the post about it being a pregnant woman, I’m puting two and two together and you may have something here; I severely doubt it was someone as per the original post ‘teaching a lesson’ 🙂

    November 3, 2017 at 8:45 am #905487
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    Jimmy Ray Will

    Again… no one is condoning

    Again… no one is condoning the kid, no one is blaming the car driver. What is being pointed out is the mentality behind the car drivers actions. 

    They were in the legal right, they had right of way… they were taking that right of way until the very last possible moment. 

    One day, despite my efforts to avoid it, that could be my kid on the road. I don’t want to accept that might is right, that right is right, I want drivers to want to be responsible adults, to take control for the safety of others… the way my vulnerability has forced me to do when cycling. 

    To provide another example. If, instead of a handful of boys on bikes, it had been a bunch of cows, would she have continued as she did? I’d wager the answer is no. 

    Hopefully the kid has learnt a lesson… it would be nice if everyone could take something away from this episode. 

     

     

    November 3, 2017 at 7:57 am #905485
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    davel

    Yorkshire wallet wrote:

    Yorkshire wallet wrote:
    don simon wrote:

    I guess the squabbling and insults that define the hoody wearing chav have already been done in this thread

    http://road.cc/content/news/231558-cyclist-doing-wheelie-knocked-fellow-cyclist-road#comments

    Along with the responsible/victim labeling.

    Funny old world.

    People can be victims of their own actions.

    Course they can. What is clear is the kid was doing a dickish, potentially dangerous thing. Wheelie at a car and there’s only one winner.

    They can also be kids twatting about, making mistakes. Were you ever a kid twatting about, making mistakes? I know I did plenty worse than pull wheelies on the wrong side of the road, and I’m glad there were adults who didn’t always think I should be summarily taught a lesson via a piece of rolling heavy machinery. Where is this street – Kandahar?

    The backlash to kids basically pulling wheelies on streets primarily to be lived on, like it’s some sort of teenage territorial pissing, or gateway to something much worse, is pretty worrying. Society shouldn’t be questioning those kids farting about, it should be asking those in a car just what is it that is so important that they have to drive with no consideration for other residents being on the streets. As it is, the wheelieing is probably the most innocuous teenage exhibition of self-expression I can remember. In my day it was illegal raves, Es and speed, which the conservative media also lost its shit about… But kids pulling wheelies. Really…?

    It looks to me like the licensed operator of the heavy machinery could have stopped much sooner. Why the fuck didn’t they?

    November 3, 2017 at 6:54 am #905483
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    Anonymous

    don simon wrote:

    don simon wrote:

    I guess the squabbling and insults that define the hoody wearing chav have already been done in this thread

    http://road.cc/content/news/231558-cyclist-doing-wheelie-knocked-fellow-cyclist-road#comments

    Along with the responsible/victim labeling.

    Funny old world.

    People can be victims of their own actions.

    November 3, 2017 at 12:42 am #905481
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    srchar

    Dickhead on bicycle

    Dickhead on bicycle encounters shit driver.

    Next!

    November 2, 2017 at 11:17 pm #905479
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    Anonymous

    kids playing in the street,

    kids playing in the street, taking back the streets to be played in, car shouldn’t be there and her (lack of) reactions would injure or kill a pedestrian who might trip into the road or an infirm/disabled person crossing slowly.

     

    November 2, 2017 at 10:21 pm #905477
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    Bluebug

    More likely the driver was
    More likely the driver was too f***ing dumb to realise she should have just done an emergency stop as soon as she saw him.

    I’ve worked in different parts of England and noticed that while in London drivers generally will hit the brakes if they don’t know what a child, horse, dog or adult pedestrian is going to do in the road in other parts of the country they don’t. I have seen other motorists behind them get p*ssed off if they see it is a horse and try to overtake but that’s an entire other conversation.

    November 2, 2017 at 9:01 pm #905475
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    davel

    Except if you actually watch
    Except if you actually watch the video and where the car is on the road, you can see the car is moving right up to impact.

    The kid’s being a dick, alright, but that makes it OK to drive into him? Drivers on residential streets shouldn’t look out for kids being kids? For what – to teach them a fucking lesson?

    As has earlier been said, you can bet it would have stopped a long time before if the kid had been an HGV.

    November 2, 2017 at 8:53 pm #905473
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    StraelGuy

    Agree with you Leviathan. Car

    Agree with you Leviathan. Car appeared to be stopped and he effectively tripped over the side of her bonnet. Kid being a bellend learned a lesson.

    November 2, 2017 at 8:27 pm #905471
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    Leviathan

    There are a lot of

    There are a lot of assumptions in this thread from very little footage. She looks to have just stopped and the kid crashes into her. Mum has it right, big kids should be more careful, 14 – 84.

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