S.O.S for a little girl.

davel wrote:

davel wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

davel wrote:

Well it’s clear you haven’t been following too closely. Research which countries export the most to Greece and benefited most from its inception into the EU. Research which vampire squid of a bank has its ex-employees scattered throughout the EU and helped Greece cook its books to enable membership. Research the key reasons that the troika held Greece’s hand to the fire during debt and Grexit ‘discussions’, and where the banks that hold the debt are based. Research what has happened to the Greek employment, suicide, HIV and AIDS rates (mainly among the young ‘uns) since the credit crisis Then you might not put the blame at Greece’s door in such a simplistic manner.

I hate it when people post about “do your own research”. This is a well known tactic used by conspiracy buffs to hoodwink people with poor researching skills into believing a whole load of tripe (e.g. chemtrails, flat earth, electric pyramids etc).

If you’ve done any research and have knowledge, then share it around, otherwise shut up about it.

Oh fuck off.

You really don’t want me to post this in its entirety, but for the eejits who can’t infer the key points:

Greek debt crisis led to massive spikes in HIV, AIDS, suicides and unemployment among innocent citizens, mainly of the younger generation who hadn’t had a chance to tax dodge. Hence the idiocy of the ‘if you hadn’t dodged tax…’ argument, one not espoused by Paul Mason (name checked by Leviathan).

German and French (mainly) banks held most of the debt that the troika were chasing down – the troika that was peppered with Goldman Sachs employees, the same Goldman Sachs that encouraged Greece to fiddle their accounts to get EU and Euro membership in the first place. The troika, Germany (Schauble being the bulldog) and the EU, during negotiations with Greece, decided that bouncing back to the drachma was not an option, and that a certain number of Greek lives being fucked via the ongoing austerity was worth the banks receiving a certain amount of their debt back.

Germany stood to gain massively through its exports (incl defence) to Greece being in the same currency. They turned a blind eye to the dodginess during the Greek accession.

If you think that’s flat earthery, I salute the naivete of your worldview.

I had to read that carefully before upvoting to check that it didn’t stray into conspiracy theory territory, but it didn’t. The story is hardly secret.

It is quite obvious that Greece didn’t get into the Eurozone without the agreement and tacit co-operation of the dominant powers in the EU. Not to mention the fact that the Greek bailout was effectively just yet another bank bailout (mostly of German banks).

And then there’s the obvious way the economics of the Eurozone have worked out – Germany needs a market for its exports because its domestic consumption (being deliberately kept low by means of wage-stagnation for German workers) can’t possibly soak up its production. Thus the rest of the Eurozone almost inevitably had to run a deficit, as it’s conceptually contradictory for everyone to have a surplus.

Debt crises always have two sides, lenders are usually even more irresponsible than the borrowers, especially when they believe they are too big to fail. Just as with the crappy mortgage crisis in the US that started the last financial crisis.

Ordinary Greeks perhaps could be blamed for not long ago doing something to deal with the corrupt behaviour of their elites. But that’s quite a difficult thing to accomplish.

hawkinspeter wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

davel wrote:

Well it’s clear you haven’t been following too closely. Research which countries export the most to Greece and benefited most from its inception into the EU. Research which vampire squid of a bank has its ex-employees scattered throughout the EU and helped Greece cook its books to enable membership. Research the key reasons that the troika held Greece’s hand to the fire during debt and Grexit ‘discussions’, and where the banks that hold the debt are based. Research what has happened to the Greek employment, suicide, HIV and AIDS rates (mainly among the young ‘uns) since the credit crisis Then you might not put the blame at Greece’s door in such a simplistic manner.

I hate it when people post about “do your own research”. This is a well known tactic used by conspiracy buffs to hoodwink people with poor researching skills into believing a whole load of tripe (e.g. chemtrails, flat earth, electric pyramids etc).

If you’ve done any research and have knowledge, then share it around, otherwise shut up about it.

Oh fuck off.

You really don’t want me to post this in its entirety, but for the eejits who can’t infer the key points:

Greek debt crisis led to massive spikes in HIV, AIDS, suicides and unemployment among innocent citizens, mainly of the younger generation who hadn’t had a chance to tax dodge. Hence the idiocy of the ‘if you hadn’t dodged tax…’ argument, one not espoused by Paul Mason (name checked by Leviathan).

German and French (mainly) banks held most of the debt that the troika were chasing down – the troika that was peppered with Goldman Sachs employees, the same Goldman Sachs that encouraged Greece to fiddle their accounts to get EU and Euro membership in the first place. The troika, Germany (Schauble being the bulldog) and the EU, during negotiations with Greece, decided that bouncing back to the drachma was not an option, and that a certain number of Greek lives being fucked via the ongoing austerity was worth the banks receiving a certain amount of their debt back.

Germany stood to gain massively through its exports (incl defence) to Greece being in the same currency. They turned a blind eye to the dodginess during the Greek accession.

If you think that’s flat earthery, I salute the naivete of your worldview.

You all seem to have

You all seem to have forgotten that THIS IS A CYCLING WEBSITE. 

I don’t think it’s heartless to say that pleas for totally unrelated personal tragedies shouldn’t be on this site. I’m sure we could find a lot of other deserving causes which actually have a cycling link.

e.g. http://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/

Greece was screwed, in the EU
Greece was screwed, in the EU or out. You can’t run a country based on public sector employment forever.

You can’t blame the people as a collective though as democracy is still only a majority choice not a universal one. Say brexit is the worst thing ever then 48% didn’t want it and are effectively blameless.

TerreyHill wrote:

This really is turning into the Daily Mail of cycling websites.

yeah it is… who’s to blame?

froze wrote:

Leviathan wrote:

If the Greek government (over many decades) enforced taxation and a normal retirement age then you wouldn’t be in so much debt. Maybe your health system would be adequate to help this little girl if many of your people did not condone a culture of back-handers.

I’m sorry, but your comment was uncalled for and insensitive.  People don’t have a choice what country they live in, they’re born there and prefer to live where they are born and accustom to, and to blame someones country for their inadequacy is lunacy, then on top of all of that you blame the little girl’s situation on her people.  I’m glad the little girl didn’t see your message.  Why not try to offer some hope for her and her family instead of belittling their country?

Makes me wonder what perfect country you’re from Leviathan?

Perhaps you haven’t been following the Greek crisis closely as of late. Perhaps investigate the black market and Greek benefits. Paul Mason is a wonderful correspondent.  I am not blaming the little girl for her situation, but her inability to get local treatment is another matter. I am quite confident the girl won’t see my post, in fact who would on a British cycling website? Perhaps I shouldn’t have posted my comment, but rather ‘Watch out this guy is probably a fraudster.’ Is that better?

If the Greek government (over

If the Greek government (over many decades) enforced taxation and a normal retirement age then you wouldn’t be in so much debt. Maybe your health system would be adequate to help this little girl if many of your people did not condone a culture of back-handers.

ChrisB200SX wrote:

The cancer survival rate in the UK is the worst in the EU. Food for thought.

That may be, but this forum topic is pure spam.

Notice how they spelled her name wrongly – it should be Evangelia.

The real GoFundMe page is no longer accepting donations: https://www.gofundme.com/help-evangelia-make-the-trip