How to pace Ride100?

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    Cannon

    Hi all, interested to hear the thoughts of those who train around Richmond Park and compete in 100mile sportives. Specifically, as to how their lap times correspond to avg pace for longer rides, namely 100milers. I am doing Ride London (circa 1,300m climbing) and are loosely aiming to go under 5.5hrs. My full gas effort around Richmond Park (10.8k, 50m of ascent) is just under 20minutes, without drafting, and I do 3 laps in around 1.03. Although, i rarely get longer out on the bike, so hence my question as to how others have generally paced similar rides (using Richmond as my only point of reference!).

    Welcome any insights. Thanks

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  • #898179
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    700c

    Good luck Cannon

    Good luck Cannon

    You will be faster than you think. It’s a really quick course 🙂 

    The first 5hr century I have ever done – and will ever do no doubt!

    On the elevation – If you have a Garmin then it will show the profile and your point on it as you ride. Even my really old Garmin Edge 800 has it and it’s one of the most useful features to pace yourself, know when to press on and when to back off.

     

     

    #898177
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    Al__S

    Also, if you don’t make “whoo

    Also, if you don’t make “whoo-hoo” noises through the tunnels (eg Limehouse Link” I don’t want to know you wink

    #898175
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    davel

    Ah – I’ll stop my worrying

    Ah – I’ll stop my worrying then: you’ll be fine yes

    Enjoy the ride.

    #898173
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    Cannon

    Lol Davel, i did fire but I
    Lol Davel, i did fire but I have been quietly soaking up the insights of the posts! Appreciate all the advice. I guess the info provided from me was pretty basic. I have done 100milers before and I have a decent base with commuting 10miles a day to work but given time constraints I haven’t done any +50mile long rides in the last year.

    My plan based on above is to manage effort for first 75miles and put myself in the red for last bit, get in a fair paced group (i’m a lone wolf), survive the hills and save legs for the flats. I will take all the food I need, don’t plan to stop until +50miles to get some water.

    Starting at 7.20am, so not expecting people to be flying off at that point.

    #898171
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    davel

    There’s a fairly hefty

    There’s a fairly hefty assumption of decent base fitness, there, arfa.

    If the OP’s longest ride to date is 3x Richmond Park, riding at or just below threshold on the flat on Ride London could see him ruined at halfway.

    Not saying you’re wrong: more pointing out that we need more info, and Cannon fired and buggered off.

    #898169
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    arfa

    If you use a heart rate
    If you use a heart rate monitor, the advice is really simple: ride at threshold on the flat, into the red zone on the hills and recover on the descents. For me this means riding just under 160bpm. The temptation is go out fast (because that’s how the early waves go). Groups form and if yours is going too hard, drop off it and form a new group.Provided you are at/below threshold, no problem. Over it and you will have trouble after 80 miles. Main thing is ride safe (make sure you know and are riding with people who know how to ride in groups) and enjoy.

    #898167
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    Anonymous

    Another saying take it easy

    Another saying take it easy to begin with.  Really easy.  All the way out through London just enjoy being on the closed roads, in the tunnels with no noise other than tyres and clicking gears, on the wrong side of the road if you feel like it – though beware of club pacelines coming past like steam trains.  Even taking it really easy you’ll be going faster than you think simply because you don’t need to stop for traffic or lights.  Last year I did 28 kph in the first hour and got to Pyrford (~60km) in two hours, without really trying – normally I’d only do 27-28kph if I was on open roads.

    Newlands is a relatively easy hill but it is quite long; don’t be surprised to see lots of people stopping and walking.  If this is you, don’t do it in the middle of the road, get over to the left first.  Leith is the hardest hill.  There are sections over 10% and it’s narrow: again, lots of people walk.  The downhill can be sketchy in the shadows under the trees; take care.  Box Hill is longer than Newlands but it’s very scenic and the road surface is beautiful; take your time and enjoy it.  From there it’s all straightforward: I averaged over 30kph for the last 60km.  Wimbledon Hill is worth paying attention to – but by the time you’ve ridden 90 miles, you should just be clicking into the right gear, rolling up it, and from the top you really can just empty the tank if you’re feeling good because from there it’s all flat.

    Remember that for you, it’s not a race except against the clock and your own ability.  You won’t ‘win’, and you won’t be last – seriously, people complete it plodding along at 12mph on shopper bikes and walking up every hill.  Finishing is in itself a prize, remember you can always come back and do it faster next year.  

    If you haven’t done long practice rides (up to 80-100 km at least) then don’t underestimate how stiffness and soreness builds up.  Consider stopping and stretching your back and legs (properly, not just waving arms around) maybe every hour.  Don’t grip the bars too tightly or your fingers will go numb.  You might think these things are obvious, but remember when you start to get tired you think slower; your assessment of risks is also impaired, so be careful on downhills and fast corners.  Don’t forget to eat!  

    And don’t forget to enjoy it.  I’m a miserable git and even I was grinning the whole way round at the lunatics cheering and clapping for hours, the sadists having a big barbecue at the bottom  of Box Hill, and the sheer joy of having the whole road to ride in.

    “Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth.”

    #898165
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    theironduck

    The 2017 route map with

    The 2017 route map with elevation is availble here:

    https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22395949

    A nicer colour-coded version of the elevation profile to stick on your bike is here:

    https://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/ridelondon-surrey-100-sportive-route-profile-revealed.html

     

    #898163
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    Al__S

    Especially if you’ve an early

    Especially if you’ve an early start, don’t go out too hard. You might be tempted to try and join a fast train, but if you’re dangling on the back and struggling to keep up as you fly down Picadilly you’re doing damage to yourself that will bite you when you reach Leith Hill.

    Try and settle into a group that’s comfortable for you- speak  to people, and see if you can manage to do turns on the front. If you can’t do a turn on the front for more than a minute or so, the group is too fast for you, especially with your base endurance.

     

    I know many say to avoid the stop at Newlands Corner, but I’ve never had an issue there- it is busy but there’s loads of loos and huge drink and food tables. If it’s a nice day, stop, refuel there, and take in the views-  one of the few places where it sensible to stop that there are views, as Leith Hill is tree lined, as is the false flat on top of Box Hill.

     

    Other basic “don’t be a dick” advice:

    As I said, talk to people- don’t just wheel suck, say hi and work together.

    Keep left if slower than riders around you, when passing go well right- remember that you do have the full width of the road, so if you’re approaching a traffic island head on propbably best to go right.

    HAVE FUN. Time targets are all very well, but don’t get upset if there is a hold up. And with your fitness but lack of endurance, then 5:30 is v.ambitious.

    Wimbledon Hill is evil, but there’s a few other stinging smaller climbs in the west london suburbs as well. Just to rub salt in the wound the top of Wimbledon hill is a Sprint prime on the Classic- not a KOM prime! At least once you’re over Wimbledon though the hills are over barring the slightest drag up Whitehall- last year my friends and I wound up in a fast group after a stop for pedestrians at Putney with a load of RAF and I think Bradford CC, among others, absolutely flew along Chelsea Embankment and did a bunch sprint along the Mall. Key to this was that as it formed there was plenty of communication- don’t ruin someone elses day!

     

    Again, Have Fun. This weekend will be the first time that’s it’s been run when I won’t be there.

    #898161
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    Cyclax Maximus

    Cannon…Read all the advice

    Cannon… great advice from the above posters, it all makes good sense. Just concentrate on finishing it, as that’s a fine achievement in itself. Don’t get too bogged down with stats, as it can be counter-productive.

    First time I did it, I probably rode too conservatively at first. I then found by 75 miles in, there was plenty still in the tanks and finished very strongly.

    On the day it’s all about you enjoying yourself,  and doing something worthwhile. Don’t worry about what others are doing; they won’t be worrying about you!

    I get over to Richmond Park quite a lot too, as I live nearby. It sure is a good work out whichever way you go around it. Although, if you are trying to get some serious progress with your training down, the place is fast becoming a joke at weekends as you may well know. 

    All the very best…

     

    #898159
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    davel

    @Cannon: bear in mind that
    @Cannon: bear in mind that everyone posting on these comments (I’m fairly sure) will be able to cover 100 miles/4,000 feet pretty easily. We can’t possibly relate our experiences to your situation unless we know more.

    In the absence of any other info, assuming all you’ve done is the Richmond Park stuff you’re telling us about, you won’t want to hear this, but it’s all about surviving long enough to get round. Eat, drink, and take everything easy. Don’t even check your average speed.

    #898157
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    Leviathan

    Sunscreen.

    Sunscreen.

    #898155
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    Leviathan

    I did it just outside 5h30

    I did it just outside 5h30 last year in good weather:

    mins      kms        kph
    45.15      27.36     36.36
    73.65      41.84     34.09
    144.27   75.64     31.46
    172.38   88.51     30.81
    257.18   120.70   28.16
    288.80   136.79   28.42
    331.78   160.93   29.10            times including stops

    You can draft and go quite fast across london and the west way to Richmond park. Don’t use the park as any kind of reference as it is quite a small part of the route.

    I also did it in 2013 in 6 hours. The main difference I found was how much more used to being on the bike for long periods of time I was last year. I didn’t stop from the top of boxhill until the mall were as before I had to stop several times to stretch my back and arms. If you don’t regularly cover these kind of distances, there really isn’t time to train. You could get one more longish ride in the next 48 hours, but there is no point riding 50miles before the event, you will just wear yourself out.
     

    random tips:

    Stock up and skip the very first hub, it is always choas, go for the next smaller waterstop. 

    Cut out the route profile and sellotape it down your top tube, mark on planned stops or your speed targets. (Get a bike computer)

    Speed up quickly at the top of a descent, but don’t push to get max speed downhill, just get aero and save your legs. Spinning madly for a few extra kph isn’t worth it, save your legs for the flat and climbs.

    Don’t underestimate the climbs, especially Leith Hill.

    Don’t be mad if you don’t hit your target, it is just more reason to come back stronger 

    And watch out for Wimbledon Hill; it is a short steep climb, a bit of a sting in the tail for tired legs, but after that it is all downhill through Putney and along the Embankment with cheering all the way.

    Sadly I am not in it this year, ballot for 2018 opens soon.

    Good Luck (Ray Winstone voice)

     

     

    #898153
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    dottigirl

    Your wave number/start time

    Your wave number/start time and experience of group riding will dictate your time. 

    You’ll be surprised how easy 100 miles is. My advice would be to limit your time in the ‘red zone’, keep eating and drinking, and if you pick up a group, make sure you do your turns on the front. 

    And enjoy yourself.

    (P.S. in Richmond Park tomorrow evening if you’re around.)

     

     

    #898151
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    rxpell

    Take it easy at the start and

    Take it easy at the start and don’t try and chase the folks who sprint away.  Better to get first few hours in at 15-17mph and have a reserve in hand. Plan your eating and drinking based on time and stick to that.  As you get towards the end (say after 80 miles) if you’ve got anything left in the tank then you can up the pace and empty it.  Keep at it and I hope you have a great ride.

     

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