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  • June 22, 2017 at 8:15 pm #27260
    danjthomas

    my rear 105 11speed derailleur has been bad shifting lately and it’s not been staying tuned.. I’ve replaced the mech hanger and cable and it’s now shifting nice and smooth, however, what hasn’t changed is a horrible noise from my chain when riding.  It’s like a dirty diesel noise!

    the chain sounds like it’s randomly rubbing against the next ring but I can’t stop it. Sometimes it’s bearable and sometime it very annoying.

    – derailleur  hanger and derailleur is straight and the derailleur looks to be the same.

    – shifting is light and smooth 

    – cassette and chain are only only about 750 miles old and measure up ok 

    – bit of wobble in my derailleur but I think its normal.

    any thoughts? Bad tuning? Derailleur wobble? Limit screw not set up well and the shifting is not central on every gear? Bad chain, laterally worn!! 

     

     

     

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  • June 23, 2017 at 11:59 pm #895633
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    madcarew

    So long as it actually shifts

    So long as it actually shifts properly, it sounds like the ‘B screw’ (derailleur angle adjustment screw) is too far out, allowing the jockey wheel to rub on the underside of teh chain where it moves onto the sprockets. Screwing it in several turns should solve it.

    June 23, 2017 at 7:49 pm #895631
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    Anonymous

    Did it ever sound fine? Just

    Did it ever sound fine? Just wondering of the chain is the right one… I’ve seen people put 9 speed chains on 11 speed gear and the noise is quite disturbing. Also, is the chain directional and installed the right way around? Have you tried a different chain?

    June 23, 2017 at 12:37 pm #895629
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    sergius
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    danjthomas wrote:
    I’m a lube man.  I don’t like the gunky build up you get with wax. 

    You shouldn’t get a gunky build up with wax – the best thing about using wax is how clean it all stays. It sounds to me like you’ve tried wax and lube at the same time which is a mistake. If you use wax, you need to start with a brand new chain, degrease it completely and then wax it. Dirt won’t stick to the wax, but will stick to any grease/lube.

    The main detriment to using wax is that you need to re-treat your chain more often. I use a graphite/paraffin wax mix, so I remove the chain when it becomes noisier and heat it up to reflow the wax. (Well, actually I pre-treat a spare chain so that I can swap the noisy chain with the spare)

     

    I use the out-of-the-bottle wax (squirt is the best one I’ve found).  Obviously you need to thoroughly degrease a new chain before waxing; but after that I just clean it with a dry rag once a week to remove any build-up (roughly 100 miles) and re-wax it by putting a drop on the inside of each link – then giving it a quick spin and leave to dry overnight.

     

    June 23, 2017 at 12:27 pm #895627
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    hawkinspeter
    danjthomas wrote:
    I’m a lube man.  I don’t like the gunky build up you get with wax. 

    You shouldn’t get a gunky build up with wax – the best thing about using wax is how clean it all stays. It sounds to me like you’ve tried wax and lube at the same time which is a mistake. If you use wax, you need to start with a brand new chain, degrease it completely and then wax it. Dirt won’t stick to the wax, but will stick to any grease/lube.

    The main detriment to using wax is that you need to re-treat your chain more often. I use a graphite/paraffin wax mix, so I remove the chain when it becomes noisier and heat it up to reflow the wax. (Well, actually I pre-treat a spare chain so that I can swap the noisy chain with the spare)

    June 23, 2017 at 11:56 am #895625
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    danjthomas

    Not chain rub on front.

    Not chain rub on front.

    b screw makes little difference

    its worse following shimanos PDF 

    chain length is fine

    yes only occurs when I pedal.  Force on pedals makes no difference.  It seems worse in the bigger cogs.

     

    im thinking its bad tuning, chain is toast (even though it measures fine), my derailleur has too much play or the new hanger needs aligning to the frame

    June 23, 2017 at 11:09 am #895623
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    pablo

    Does it only happen when you
    Does it only happen when you pedal then?

    Have you followed the Shimano manual while tunning? Lots of people think they know how to setup a derailleur but don’t.

    Chain too long and rubbing on itself in lower gears?

    B-screw adjusted correctly?

    Are you sure it’s not chain rub on the front derailleur?

    So frustrating when you can’t identify an issue I feel your pain!

    June 23, 2017 at 10:18 am #895621
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    StraelGuy

    It happens more or less

    It happens more or less straight away. The chain itself is pretty much silent other than you can faintly hear the rollers engaging the chain rings. I’ve only got a few hundred miles (3 waxings so far, at about 100 miles each) on it and I’m very impressed. No black gunge and a chain I can grab without getting my hands dirty.

     

    It’s the future (and the past) I tells yer!

    June 23, 2017 at 10:08 am #895619
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    danjthomas

    I’m a lube man.  I don’t like

    I’m a lube man.  I don’t like the gunky build up you get with wax. 

    June 23, 2017 at 9:42 am #895617
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    hawkinspeter
    guyrwood wrote:
    Do you use chainlube or are you a waxer? I converted to wax a few hundred miles ago and one thing I’ve noticed is that you can hear the chain riding onto the front ring as you ride.

    Sounds like you need to re-wax or re-flow the wax if you’ve done a few hundred miles. I’ve found the chain needs a bit or treatment every 100 miles or so to keep it silent.

    June 23, 2017 at 9:23 am #895615
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    treetard

    In my experience you could

    In my experience you could spend hours on this only to discover it comes from something completely random.  I would check, probably in this order.

    • Wheel is fully in dropouts and QR is tight
    • Masterlink is fully engaged (if present)
    • Chain is lubed
    • Worn chain (measure it’s length / use a gauge) 
    • Worn cassette
    • Stiff links in chain (do the jockey wheels jump around whilst pedalling with no load)
    • Gears are indexed correctly and not out by whole sprocket
    • Front derraileur height / twist
    • Hanger alignment (you say you’ve replaced, but have you checked with an alignment gauge?, twisted hangers are almost impossible to see by eye)
    • B-Screw is causing jockey wheels to contact cassette under load
    • Too much play in bottom bracket causing chainline issues
    • Loose chainring bolts
    • Cassette lockring not torqued
    • Not enough / too many spacers on rear hub
    • Jockey wheels are shagged
    • Bent / worn / missing chainring teeth
    • Rear wheel bearings worn
    • Bent rear derraileur cage
    • Bent front derraileur cage
    • Dropouts are missaligned (unlikely save for old steel frame / crash damage / chinese carbon copy)

    Or try looking in somewhere else, if you’re only hearing these noises on the bike, they have a great way of throwing their voice. So check pedal axles, brake rub, front wheel bearings, seat clamp.

     If that doesn’t solve it, throw the bike away…

     

    June 23, 2017 at 9:20 am #895613
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    StraelGuy

    Do you use chainlube or are

    Do you use chainlube or are you a waxer? I converted to wax a few hundred miles ago and one thing I’ve noticed is that you can hear the chain riding onto the front ring as you ride.

    June 23, 2017 at 8:48 am #895611
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    danjthomas

    I can honestly say it’s not

    I can honestly say it’s not that.. I’ve done it before too and won’t do it again.  It seems too be coming from the chain interface with the cogs..

    is this my H screw do you think?

    June 23, 2017 at 7:31 am #895609
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    hawkinspeter

    I’ve threaded a chain like

    I’ve threaded a chain like that, but not ridden on it. As soon as I’d joined the chain and spun it round, I thought “that doesn’t sound right”. I’d bet 50p that’s the problem.

    June 23, 2017 at 6:54 am #895607
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    gmac101

    Fourthed – no excuses.  I’ve

    Fourthed – no excuses.  I’ve actually done it twice – but not for awhile 

     

    June 23, 2017 at 5:42 am #895605
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    StraelGuy

    *Ahem* thirded. Got 200 yards
    *Ahem* thirded. Got 200 yards into a ride and thought ‘Hmmm, something definitely doesn’t sound quite right’.

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