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June 7, 2017 at 9:37 pm #27205
barbarus
Who for and why? Prepared to say?
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dottigirl wrote:
dottigirl wrote:I can’t believe I’m reading that so many of you are voting Tory.
Does that say more about the readership you’re bemoaning, or you?
dottigirl
I can’t believe I’m reading
I can’t believe I’m reading that so many of you are voting Tory.
Really disappointed.
If anyone is yet to vote, please take a look at the manifestos and vote on that. Or speak to someone who works for the police, NHS, fire service…
The best thing for this country would be a hung parliament, and a coalition excluding the Tories.
In Richmond Park, so it’s LibDem for me as it’s the best bet to fight the repulsive Goldsmith up for the Tories.
srchar
I voted for Not Corbyn.
I voted for Not Corbyn, even though no party’s policies or leader impresses me. I’m an advocate of more direct democracy than the poor excuse for it we currently have to suffer.
Amusingly, the Tory election agent outside the polling station asked the old couple and builder in front of me how they were voting, then took one look at my bike and moved onto the bloke behind me.
peted76
adamthekiwi wrote:If we were dealing with ‘normal’ Labour then things may seem less cut and dried but the country has never wanted the extreme left or the extreme right so Corbyn will not get in. Labour was most successful in recent memory when it was nearer the centre. Tony Blair is now long demonified because of Iraq but a Labour now that resembled anything like that Labour would be in with a chance. Not marxism, no way.I’m not a big Corbyn supporter, despite my statement of (temporary) Labour allegience above, but I’m curious: can you point me to anything that he’s said or done that shows him wanting to implement an “extreme left” government? I’ve read in the press a lot about how he is a commie demon, but not seen any actual evidence of it…
[/quote]Corbyn’s manifesto, not that I’m voting for him, is actually more right than most think. I think the issue with him being views as a marxist following, socialist loony lefty is unfortunatley down to the fact he’s had quite the hardcore socialist lefty views in the past.
We the unwashed (or rather the press) ‘demand’ that our politicians should be squeaky clean at least when they come to office, then we set the hounds on them to find out their hidden dirty secrets. With JC it’s plain to see in his past being quite a vocal strong minded chap, a union leader sort of bloody mindedness. In fact he was a trade union representative before he joined politics.
I shall be very pleased when this election is over, it’s been a right load of balls since it started – in fact this little snippet of an interview between BJ Baffoon and some stiff sums up the whole thing for me.. https://youtu.be/kPPyBLC5ddM I love Boris, he gives us the best entertainment.
adamthekiwi
That last is an open question
That last is an open question, by the way. Is he portrayed as loonie left because he:
– Wants to nationalise the railways?
Well, I’m not that opposed to that one; one of the most successful recent franchises was East Coast which was, until recently, um, run by government…– Wants to nationalise power generation?
If you’re talking about capping the prices that the private companies can charge, as May has promised, that is surely an admission that privatisation has failed to realise the dream of a cheaper, more efficient system?– Opposes Trident (although won’t whip his MPs to oppose)?
So am I, as it happens – ridiculously expensive system that is less useful than its proponents claim.– Wants a 50% tax rate on top earners?
Tony Blair’s government, which, for most of the time was significantly to the right of May, had this – hardly a quantum leap in taxation…– Wants rent controls on landlords?
Not one I personally agree with, but it’s not taking the properties away from them at gunpoint, now, is it?– Wants a mandatory living wage?
George Osbourne mostly agreed with this one.– Wants to cut tuition fees?
But not to as low as when Thatcher was in power…– Opposed the Iraq war?
That’s just sensible, isn’t it?– Opposed bombing Syria?
I’m not sure that marks him out as a leftie.– Opposed anti-terror legislation?
Not surprised – most of it was simply horrific power-grabbing by the security services and deeply illiberal. I saw an analysis of all the votes in the last few years and how he and May voted: interestingly, they only voted in opposite directions on one occasion – Regulation of Investigatory Powers, final vote – although May was absent for far more than Corbyn.– Refused to condemn IRA bombing?
Wasn’t the *actual* quote; “I condemn all the bombing by the loyalists and the IRA”?Jackson
Let’s very generously for
Let’s very generously for your argument assume Corbyn is privately a huge supporter of the IRA. By what mechanism is this going to affect your life if he were to become PM?
How is some vague nonsense about the IRA of more consequence to you than running down the NHS even further? Which is more likely to impact your life?
Yorkshire wallet wrote:Spend, spend, spend is all very well but who’s paying?Sorry, is that a description of the current Tory government? They have, after all, despite making things significantly harder for those at the bottom of the pile, failed to even stop our national debt growing, let alone actually reduce it…
Yorkshire wallet wrote:That 1% that pays into 25% of tax income can easily go live somewhere else so you’ve got to think out these Robin Hood strategies a bit more.The top 1% do *not* pay 25% of tax income. They pay about 27% of *income tax* but income tax is only about 29% of tax income. Broadly speaking, the figures from the ONS suggest that the top 10% of earners pay about 27% of total tax income.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:If we were dealing with ‘normal’ Labour then things may seem less cut and dried but the country has never wanted the extreme left or the extreme right so Corbyn will not get in. Labour was most successful in recent memory when it was nearer the centre. Tony Blair is now long demonified because of Iraq but a Labour now that resembled anything like that Labour would be in with a chance. Not marxism, no way.I’m not a big Corbyn supporter, despite my statement of (temporary) Labour allegience above, but I’m curious: can you point me to anything that he’s said or done that shows him wanting to implement an “extreme left” government? I’ve read in the press a lot about how he is a commie demon, but not seen any actual evidence of it…
StraelGuy
Labour. For the first time
Labour. For the first time ever. I work in the public sector and the tories have just destroyed it. There just aren’t enough staff to do everything properly and stress levels and absenteeism are through the roof, it simply isn’t fair. I know they have a fairly abysmal record where fiscal responsibility is concerned but frankly I’m ready for a change of tack.
bornagainst
Labour all the way this time
Labour all the way this time (though I’ve not voted Labour since 2001).
I know people at ‘the bottom’ and it is brutal to watch them be ground into the dirt in the pursuit of political ideology. There has to be a better way to create a more equal society.
If we’re out there riding bikes, how many of us are 1 bad crash away from an endless NHS waiting list and poverty? The safety net is almost gone….
hawkinspeter
I am a free man
I am a free man
Grahamd
Very personal, I’ll vote for
Very personal, I’ll vote for whoever can reduce my 85 week wait for surgery. My conservative MP did a great job….as a messenger saying the NHS has problems. This 18 weeks target is utter bullshit.
rmacneil
peted76 wrote:
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peted76 wrote:
I wanted to trust corbyn but I can’t get past the fact he had links to the IRA and has refused on mutiple occations to condem any IRA bombings, to the point where Mi5 investigated it (as I believe the press would have us believe[quote]
Not so much…
[url]http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/22/jeremy-corbyn-has-finally-called-the-ira-terrorists-6653633/[url]
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[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html[url]
I was originally planning to vote SNP as they seem to offer the highest probability of an early return to the EU, but I’m probably going to switch to Labour as May has alienated any potential allies we might have had in Europe and has repeatedly shown herself unable to deal with difficult situations or maintain a strong line on anything when confronted with mild unpleasantness, never mind firm opposition. At least Corbyn can go in with a clean slate and try to negotiate the least mutually destructive deal possible. Next time round I’ll be voting for whoever is most likely to get us back into the EU, whether that’s as the UK or just Scotland.
Mungecrundle
rkemb wrote:
rkemb wrote:So I’m hoping for the continuation of a Conservative government who have a track record of not screwing up my life*Brexit’s not enough political and economic instability for you? That’s pretty firmly the Conservative’s responsibility, so unless you are unaffected by it or positive that the outcomes will be to your benefit I’m not sure you can say that they have a track recored of not screwing up your life.
Not quite my recollection.
The Conservative gov’t under David Cameron promised a vote on EU membership. They got re-elected on a manifesto which included that commitment.
They delivered on that and some 17.4m of my fellow citizens, approx. 52% of the votes cast, decided that we should leave the EU. A decision which I disagreed with. However that is democracy, it is done, we are leaving, move on and make the best of it. There will be challenges and opportunities and so far the fallout has not screwed up my life.
Rapha Nadal
peted76 wrote:
peted76 wrote:I wanted to trust corbyn but I can’t get past the fact he had links to the IRA and has refused on mutiple occations to condem any IRA bombings, to the point where Mi5 investigated it (as I believe the press would have us believe).Yet you voted for a party/leader who sells weapons to Saudi’s who then, in turn, passes them on to ISIS along with funding? And have an actual member who used to be in the IRA. Yet that’s OK?
I’ll be voting after the club evening ride later (priorities, people!). And it’ll be Labour as I believe we shouldn’t be crucifying our NHS (I’m T1 diabetic so this is quite a personal point for me), we should be funding education for those following in our footsteps, and, as a long suffering Southern Rail commuter I’d also like to see this element nationalised as paying profits to overseas owners is a bit silly really.
In addition, it’s notright that working people in the 6th/7th richest nation on the planet are relying on food banks. I don’t care who you are or to which side you may lean: this cannot be viewed as acceptable by anyone, surely?
peted76
rkemb wrote:So I’m hoping for the continuation of a Conservative government who have a track record of not screwing up my life*Brexit’s not enough political and economic instability for you? That’s pretty firmly the Conservative’s responsibility, so unless you are unaffected by it or positive that the outcomes will be to your benefit I’m not sure you can say that they have a track recored of not screwing up your life.
Selling off our gold reserves on the cheap, borrowing more than we can afford, taking us into the Iraq war and bending over and getting taken up the bum by doctors in the 2004 contract negotiations which has had serious NHS repercussions ever since isn’t enough of Labour screwing up your life?
A nice facebook post the other day I saw said choosing who to vote for was akin to being asked whether you’d like a kick in the nuts or a punch in the face..
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