7 Month old bike needs £300 worth of parts and labour

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    Leviathan

    I have a Ribble Sportive Racer purchased in July last year and done 6250kms. In recent months the bottom bracket has become rather crunchy. I looked at replacing it and am familiar with replacing Hollowtech BBs and have the tools, however this one is Pressfit. I neither have the tools or knowledge to replace it. I am rather disappointed with the quality of this design; though to be honest BB type was not an issue in my decision to buy. So I’ve taken it into a well know high street chain of bike shops for a service.

    The service quote is £298.91 when the bike itself cost about £1100 just last summer. Apparently I need a new cassette (maybe fair, third chain) need a brake caliper (as the rear one is a little stiff from a muddy winter, I often put tape over the gaps as I’ve had issues like this before, but this happens every winter) need new headset bearings because there is about half a mm of play in the fork, apparently tightening this one up is not possible,) need new brake pads (though I have more at home and put new ones on a month ago,) need new bar tape (though I don’t really give an eff about a few frayed tape ends) and need new cabling (though again the bike is only a few months old.)

    I feel like they are taking me for a ride, they sent me a nebulus list of item codes which I had to look up on the website. I am sure the bike will be smashing if I pay for all this, but apart from the BB and cassette most of these things are just natural wear that will recur in a couple of months and would never cause an issue. The cabling is particularly egregious; it can’t be stretched by now; it is like they can’t index the gears incase they jab their little fingers. Just crimp it, the little bobbin they stick on the end will drop off after a week guaranteed.

    I feel annoyed that I will have to stand there telling them why I think they are wrong or I don’t need this or that, whilst they stand their sucking their teeth imply that if I don’t get everything done that my bike will explode. I came in asking for a bottom bracket and service, just greasing and tightening and realigning a few things shouldn’t require half a rebuild. If I have to pay this kind of money every six months I could just buy a mountain bike in Halfords and throw it away.

    Thoughts gentlemen and dottigirls? Does this sound reasonable?

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  • #889213
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    StraelGuy

    You don’t need expensive
    You don’t need expensive tools to fit a press fit bottom bracket. You can get the bits from B&Q.
    The dies that fit into the cups come with the Park cup removal tool.

    #889211
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    dottigirl
    srchar wrote:
    dottigirl wrote:
    Oh, please tell me there’s an app for FD alignment. Please!

    This little gadget has saved me more time when building bikes than any other tool I own:

    http://www.comtat.co.uk/products/836.htm

    Thanks for the reminder – think you’ve mentioned it before? Anyway, I have two bikes to do this with so I’ve just called an LBS and they’re getting one in for me – £11.99. 🙂

    If anyone else is looking, there’s Comtat or you can check your local supplier here:

    http://www.chickencyclekit.co.uk/show_product.php?cat=26&p=9758

     

    #889209
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    hawkinspeter

    Just a counter-point to

    Just a counter-point to people who’ve used those cheap BB30 tools – I tried one of them myself and somehow got the bearings mis-aligned and ended up bending the tool! (as well as putting a scratch into the bottom bracket). I think it was more my heavy-handedness than the tool being rubbish, but I ended up buying an expensive tool to do it: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/park-tool-bearing-cup-press-hhp-2/rp-prod17482

    Now it’s an easy job to pop the bearings back in nice and straight and I now enjoy a creak-free bottom bracket (with a little bit of loctite to keep the bearing stuck in place). That tool is a serious piece of kit and can be used for headsets as well.

    #889207
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    srchar
    dottigirl wrote:
    Oh, please tell me there’s an app for FD alignment. Please!

    This little gadget has saved me more time when building bikes than any other tool I own:

    http://www.comtat.co.uk/products/836.htm

    #889205
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    Rapha Nadal
    unconstituted wrote:
    Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
     

    Buying the parts will be 10-20mins on line

    Then, changing bottom bracket bearing in 10mins is cracking on… cracking on to the point of not getting the job done properly. I wouldn’t remove my cranks without taking the opportunity to clean and re-grease bolts/mating surfaces etc. 

     

     

    20 minutes.

    To Google and checkout a bottom bracket.

    I’m not even going to ask how long it takes you to clean and grease a few bolts crying

    Anyway, he doesn’t seem keen on trying it out, so whatever.  Anyway, we all have demons to face. Mine is the RD hanger alignment. Been putting off buying a tool and learning that myself. Its day will come.

    In this modern age where 98% of rear hangers are replaceable, there is literally no need to ever worry about hanger alignment. Let your demons rest.

    #889203
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    Langsam

    I use Jagwire Road Pro cables

    I use Jagwire Road Pro cables and housings, leaving the cables 2-3″ longer than ‘shop normal’ and seal the ends with hot glue.

     

    When I service the bike I strip off the glue, clean the cable with a cloth soaked in WD-40, and blast the housing through with more of the WD-40.

     

    I then reinstall the housings/cables and reglue the cable end. Result: superslick shifting and braking, 99% good as new!

     

    Would a shop do this – would they hell!

     

    My commuter has square taper BB/crankset and a cheap 1″ external threaded headset, neither of which show ANY signs of wear after many 1000s of KMs in all weathers. Running a pressfit BB for a commuter is just asking for unnecessary maintenance hassles, likewise neglecting to fit full ‘guards for an all-season commuter bike.

     

    Maintenance is inevitable for the kind of mileage you’re doing. You could have mitigated the costs with better equipment choices, however.

    #889201
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    mtbtomo

    BB30’s are notorious for
    BB30’s are notorious for creaking and I don’t have one, but I bet appropriate use of grease or studlock compound (for mating surfaces that aren’t meant to move against each other) would reduce the likelihood of creaking next time.

    I don’t find Shimano bb86/92 to be any worse than threaded external bb cups but it does irk me that they often cost more than threaded cups, yet manufacturing costs will be less with plastic cups and no thread machining

    #889199
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    dottigirl
    ChrisB200SX wrote:
    unconstituted wrote:
    Anyway, we all have demons to face. Mine is the RD hanger alignment. Been putting off buying a tool and learning that myself. Its day will come.

     

    isn’t there an app for that?

    Oh, please tell me there’s an app for FD alignment. Please!

    #889197
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    ChrisB200SX
    unconstituted wrote:
    20 minutes.

    To Google and checkout a bottom bracket.

    I’m not even going to ask how long it takes you to clean and grease a few bolts crying

    Anyway, he doesn’t seem keen on trying it out, so whatever.  Anyway, we all have demons to face. Mine is the RD hanger alignment. Been putting off buying a tool and learning that myself. Its day will come.

     

    isn’t there an app for that?

    #889195
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    dottigirl

    Simon on that GCN video makes

    Simon on that GCN video makes it look piss easy too. 

    Make sure you grease/don’t grease as needed too. 

    SingleSpeed wrote:
    You can’t ‘grease a Bottom Bracket’ by the way…I don’t know whow you were planning on doing this but it doesn’t put you in good stead for making judgement on the design 🙂

    ps (yes I have a some CK BB’s and yes I do have the grease tool and yes it’s proper tool porn)

    You can grease the threads/cups and the crankset contact surfaces though, and that can solve a fair bit of creaking, etc. 

    #889193
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    Leviathan
    mtbtomo wrote:
    What kind of bearing press are you looking at?  I paid around £50 brand new for my Park one and a quick google suggests there are other options for just over £30 (Wiggle Lifeline) and I bet you might even find someone selling a home made one that would do the job on ebay.

     

    A-ha* The GCN vide showed this very pro tool:

    http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Park-Tool-BBP-1-Bottom-Bracket-Bearing-Press-Set_100149.htm?sku=360051&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKEAjwkq7GBRDun9iu2JjyhmsSJADHCD_HffEk9JJE0FfnSoPlkZBkj7ImyylYvVbCTCSEb70BFxoClizw_wcB

    But you are talking about this:

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/park-tool-home-mechanic-bearing-cup-press/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=5360688556&kpid=5360688556&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=UK_PLA_Accessories&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid%7csUgemca2F_dc%7cpcrid%7c67090793462%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360688556uk

    No handles but cheaper

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHIMANO-SRAM-BB86-90-92-95-24-22-PRESS-FIT-TOOL-BEARINGS-INSTALLATION-B-BRACKET-/262406327026?hash=item3d18a2caf2:g:sXcAAOSwX~dWl~uo

    Okay, so I am getting closer to the idea I might be able to do this on my own.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TEAMSSX-New-Icetoolz-Press-Fit-Bearing-Removal-Tool-E293-/292035371391?hash=item43feaa217f:g:g54AAOSwx6pYrTks

    Maybe I could be really cheeky and use the Praxis converter BB Evans recommended. I’d still be concerned I would eff everything up but that is the same way I felt the first time I did the Hollowtech. Worst case is I end up with some tools to put on ebay(?)

    What about using a steel BB like this? does the material matter, steel less likely to squeak than plastic? So I should be looking for something that says BB30 outer with shimano 24mm core?

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/rotor-pressfit-4624-bottom-bracket-steel/

    I’ve just checked out my ‘dream Canyon’ which may never happen, but it also used Pressfit, this makes no sense, why is this technology the new standard? Jack in NZ says on Wiggle “Press fits BB are the bane of my life. New BB in place and squeaking within a month. Curse it.”

    *Hunting High and Low, very appropriate.

    #889191
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    dottigirl
    mtbtomo wrote:
    What kind of bearing press are you looking at?  I paid around £50 brand new for my Park one and a quick google suggests there are other options for just over £30 (Wiggle Lifeline) and I bet you might even find someone selling a home made one that would do the job on ebay

    Was just about to say this – it’s the price I used in my original post. Looks decent too, even though I’m not a fan of W*ggle. Park Tools aren’t all that either.

    unconstituted wrote:
    Anyway, we all have demons to face. Mine is the RD hanger alignment. Been putting off buying a tool and learning that myself. Its day will come.

    Mine is FD alignment. Can I get the bugger straight? Can I hell! 

    Got one to fit to my new build and am dreading it. Seriously considering that sodding Campag tool someone recommended the other day (it’s not Shimano but apparently it still works).

     

    #889189
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    mtbtomo

    What kind of bearing press

    What kind of bearing press are you looking at?  I paid around £50 brand new for my Park one and a quick google suggests there are other options for just over £30 (Wiggle Lifeline) and I bet you might even find someone selling a home made one that would do the job on ebay.

     

     

    #889187
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    huntswheelers

    All those parts and service

    All those parts and service plus full wash and protective wax…. around £180 in my workshop….

    Clearly you need a decent local mechanic/LBS who will work for YOU and not shareholders

    Regarding the Manufacturer…. I’ve had a lot of customers unhappy with their bikes (for various reasons) and 3 have returned bikes to them and purchased another brand….. 

    #889185
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    Anonymous

    I had a full cro-mo bike

    I had a full cro-mo bike frame once, great for some services as you could liberally wack everything with a hammer! 

    Headset – hammer it in with a piece of wood!

    Bottom bracket stuck? Hit the removal tool hard with a lump hammer or crank it with an extension bar!

    Seat post problems? Pull and heave away!

    Wouldn’t dare do any of that on current no.1 bike. 

     

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