Wet Road with slick tyres

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    Toekneewood

    Greetings all, sorry for the “wet” questions ha ha, but my background is in mountain biking.  I have been going out in the evenings for a 20 Mike Loop using my mountain bike with 1.75 tyres that has a tread pattern. 

    I would like to start using my road bike that is carbon with slick tyres.  I am paranoid that because they are slick, that the grip will not be good when I corner. 

     

    Any experience or tips would be greatly appreciated 

    King Regards Tony Wood 

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  • #866029
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    Paul J

    Conti 4seasons are the
    Conti 4seasons are the grippiest tyres I’ve had. Also (by far) the fastest wearing. Schwalbe Duranos are my current favoured tyre for winter riding – reasonable grip and puncture protection.

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    sm [369 posts] 4 days ago
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    Bicycle quarterly recently published some interesting research re: slicks in wet. In short, slicks are no good in the wet. Here’s the research(link is external).

    – See more at: http://road.cc/content/forum/176604-wet-road-slick-tyres#sthash.ILbwHXwR.dpuf”

    thanks will look at

     

    my list of things to avoid/take care with:

    slick concrete as found in some underpasses / car park entrances

    white lines / yellow lines 

    as above metal covers and large metal plates covering holes

    tram tracks if you have them are very special in the rain

    grit washing in from side roads

    grit at junctions outside the area used by vehicles

    pollen/blossom from trees 

    hidden pot holes in deep puddles

    bricks/rocks in deep water on cycle paths

     

     

     

    #866025
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    BBB

    Completely slick bicycle

    Completely slick bicycle tyres offer the best grip only on the completely slick surfaces which don’t happen in the real world outside the laboratory or a velodrome.

    A diamond/file pattern tread which you can see on some tougher winter/roubaix kind of tyres actually improves grip on the roads due to the fact that it interlocks with the imperfections of the surface. Even seemingly the smoothest tarmac or concrete is really rough when looking up close.

     

     

     

    #866023
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    sm

    Bicycle quarterly recently

    Bicycle quarterly recently published some interesting research re: slicks in wet. In short, slicks are no good in the wet. Here’s the research.

    I’m a GP4000s rider too. Love them. Best slicks in the market. Would prefer some tread in the wet though.

     

    #866021
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    Toekneewood

    Hi macrophotofly &

    Hi macrophotofly & muppetkeeper, love some of these login names 🙂   Great feedback I apreciate all the feedback.  I had no idea about the “tyre pressure , calculators on line” thanks very much.  I have tracked down the calculator, in case anyone else needs it.  http://www.dorkypantsr.us/bike-tire-pressure-calculator.html.  Have a great week all, lets home the winds and rain holds off.

    #866019
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    muppetkeeper

    I fully agree with what my

    I fully agree with what my cycling colleagues are saying, to summarise for you!!

    – The “tread” on road tyres are for show only, actually admitted by Continental who say you can’t aquaplane on narrow tyres, and the marketing department make them put tread on!!

    – Get your tyre pressure right, there are calculators on line, I use 25mm conti 4 season in winter, I weigh 72kg so have about 85 on the front and 90ish on the back.

    – If you are lucky enough to have a winter & summer bike, 25mm gp2000 mk2 are gorgeous for general riding around, I believe some people would go for a lighter tyre if they race, but  all the excess weight on my bike is in my fat arse so I don’t bother.

    – keep an eye on tyre wear, the conti’ shave wear indicators, and I believe the 4 seasons will wear more quickly, as they are softer to have more grip in the wet AND cold.

    Enjoy it, and I hope the weather improves soon so you can ask about best summer tyres 🙂

     

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    macrophotofly

    Love the GP 4000s for

    Love the GP 4000s for everyday riding – they are good in the wet too but there are softer tyres out there with even more grip. e.g. Conti’s GP4 seasons are fabulous if you can afford them given their wear rate is a bit higher.

    As everyone else says – avoid tread on a tyre for the road. You are actually degrading the grip (by having less tyre in contact with the road) if there is a tread on the tyre

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    Toekneewood

    Hi AKH, excellent feedback

    Hi AKH, excellent feedback thanks very much. Great tip also about the wear indicators.  I need to get out and find some better roads as I have some areas that have lots of grit, pot holes and blackthorn bush cuttings. 

    Kind regards Tony 

    #866013
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    AKH

    I’ve been using a set of GP

    I’ve been using a set of GP 4000S II for the past two winters and they’ve been great in the wet. I’ve never had an off, but I do take care when cornering if it’s wet.  As with any slick tyre, they are useless if you hit a loose surface. Watch out for piles of grit and salt at the side of the road, or built up near junctions off the line that the cars take.

     

    I’ve only had one flat with them, and that was after running over a large patch of glass broken glass from a car accident. Having said that, I rarely flat anyway (about once per year), YMMV.

     

    As other have said, unless you’re a big guy, don’t pump them up to anything like 110-120psi, you’ll ruin the ride and reduce grip for no real gain.

     

    There’s still loads of tread left on mine after around 1,000km. I didn’t realise, but the two small pits on the surface of the tyre are actually wear indicators, when they can’t be seen, you need to replace the tyre.

     

    http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/twi.shtml

     

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    #866011
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    Toekneewood

    Hi racingcondor, I totally

    Hi racingcondor, I totally agree, the GP4000 are looking the best. I am popping into the bike shop tomorrow.  Good point about the paint, that could become very slippy also.  Like the tip about mixing the psi.  All the best Tony. 

    #866009
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    racingcondor

    Another vote for Conti GP4000
    Another vote for Conti GP4000 in 25mm as a great winter tyre. The ride isn’t as good as some softer tyres but they are very hard to beat for wet grip and puncture protection.

    As has been said tread patterns don’t do much on a road tyre but rubber compound makes a massive difference (some cheap tyres are truly awful in the wet). Buy a Conti with the Black Chilli compound and try to avoid metal and paint in the rain.

    Not sure what you weigh but at 70kg I’d put about 80psi in the front and 90 in the rear for a 25mm tyre.

    #866007
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    Toekneewood

    Greetings, keef66 & 700c, Top

    Greetings, keef66 & 700c, Top tips thanks very much.  Well spotted keef66, I did mean 25mm, although “Fat Bikes” are getting trendy LOL.  I think that I will swap the tyres over this weekend.

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    700c

    Theoretically tread should

    Theoretically tread should help when riding on mud / slime / leaf covered roads at this time of year – e.g. the stuff you get under low hanging trees. The only time my front tyre has properly given way under light braking was in such conditions. That was a slick tyre & slick mud combination.

    But you’d need a lot of tread for it to have much of an effect. 

    Water clearing apparently isn’t relevant because acquaplning is practically impossible at cycling speeds. 

    Wider tyres and lower pressures increase contact area and therefore grip and stability. 

    #866003
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    keef66

    I hope you mean 25mm tyres

    I hope you mean 25mm tyres rather than 25cm

    On the recommendation of the bike shop that built my first bike I’ve been riding 25mm GP 4 Seasons for over 8 years.  They are now a bit on the expensive side, but for a light folding tyre they offer excellent puncture protection, and more importantly very good grip in the cold and wet.  They do wear relatively quickly though, but that’s the trade-off for good grip.  Remember that nothing grips on ice or diesel though, and wet steelwork and painted lines etc can also be pretty unpredictable.  The GP4S are now on my wet weather / winter bike.

    I’ve gone for the cheaper Michelin Pro4 SC on the dry / summer bike, still in 25mm.  They are pretty grippy in the dry and seem to be wearing well.

    #866001
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    Toekneewood

    Hi sergius, Thanks very much

    Hi sergius, Thanks very much for the details and the confidence boost, The GP4000II are sounding very popular.  Hopefully you have not jinxed yourself, I might be tempted to drop the pressure a little as it will give me a nice smooth ride.  It should reduce the risk of puncture.

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