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September 1, 2015 at 8:28 am #24728
ianrobo
this is a positive step forward
BBC News (UK) @BBCNews
VIDEO: London bans ‘unsafe lorries’ bbc.in/1PIgN2y
But I ask the question if OK to ban in London and in effect make illegal why not the rest of the country ? Why is it that as soon as you step outside the precious M25 these Lorries are then deemed ‘safe’.
Surely if London can ban them then the ban should actually be made across the UK. After doing many miles recently on the M5 I have concluded the driving standards of lorry drivers are appalling. But as usual in this so called ‘one nation’ only London is deemed good enough to have measures imposed.
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teaboy
ianrobo wrote:Have you
ianrobo wrote:Have you actually read my posts. I am not jealous of London, I am very pissed off that London gets more resources per head of population than the rest of us does.If London had the same transport spending as us you would not have the cash to do these things. I want fairness for us all and not for one part of the country. you don;t get this in other countries do you ?
Of course you get it in other countries. The TdF finishes in Paris every year. They have the French Open tennis in Paris, and the national football and rugby stadiums there too. Large events tend to happen in capital cities – that’s kind of the point of having capital cities!
There isn’t a race to the bottom – just because local government in other parts of the country aren’t implementing good(ish) cycling plans it doesn’t mean London shouldn’t either.
Scoob_84
can’t believe this website
can’t believe this website sometimes. Every time a cyclist dies we collectively complain that something needs doing. Campaigners campaign in their area and get things sorted. People from outside the area then complain that the campaigners didn;t fix the problem in their area.Then we get a load of other nonsense unrelated to the topic that London is apparently shit, but gets everything and the rest of the UK is much better.
crazy-legs
ianrobo wrote:Have you
ianrobo wrote:Have you actually read my posts. I am not jealous of London, I am very pissed off that London gets more resources per head of population than the rest of us does.The self-fulfilling problem is that London is one of THE cities of the world so infrastructure improvements need to be carried out as a matter of urgency compared to anywhere else.
You could pour billions of pounds into infrastructure in (eg) Dundee but the returns on that would be peanuts compared to putting that same amount of money to work in London. Which is then Catch-22 in that money for elsewhere is severely restricted and you end up with London soaking up all the jobs and money.London transport is far from perfect but it is still miles ahead of anywhere else in the UK.
Regular and comparatively cheap trains, buses and Tube. Excellent bike hire scheme.Have you actually read my
Have you actually read my posts. I am not jealous of London, I am very pissed off that London gets more resources per head of population than the rest of us does.If London had the same transport spending as us you would not have the cash to do these things. I want fairness for us all and not for one part of the country. you don;t get this in other countries do you ?
Anonymous
If you’re so jealous of
If you’re so jealous of London why don’t you come and live here? Every other moaning whinging git is here already, and it’s sh#t.Look, these new regs are a victory for safety, for tireless campaigning in the face of huge, well funded and well established vested interests, and above all for cycling. Are they the be-all and end-all, no. Are they going to save lives, yes.
Getting this rule in London means that the people who make the laws can see what a difference it makes, because Parliament is in London, because it’s the nation’s capital. And that means it’s more likely to get rolled out everywhere. You want your own local byelaws: campaign for them. Make your MP’s life a misery until they batter down the door of the DfT begging for it to be law. That’s democracy.
Stumps excellent point on the
Stumps excellent point on the pro races. The TDF finishing in London was a farce but no one questions it as apparently everyone wants to go there.Give another example in sportives. You may know I have done a fair few around the country, crossing some great places and rides. Yet for some reason I am told by many that Ride London up box hill is the best. What rubbish, do the rides I have done in Wales and tell me riding in the BRecons, Snowdonia or the Valley’s is worse than that ?
Who the hell thinks a top sportive is one where a slight stoppage on a hill causes so many to dismount ?
Besides Box hill is not even that hard … try Long Mynd, Horsehoe pass or Pen Y Bas …..
Fred Whitton anyone ?
Stumps
ianrobo is right, everything
ianrobo is right, everything has to revolve around london, whether its money being pumped into it or infrastructure changes or even cycling races they have to have their name on it.A perfect example was the TdF last year. Yorkshire win the rights to stage the grand depart but we have to have a stage ending in london, the same goes for the tour of britain. Its a bit sickening when you want to watch a stage and its every few years that you get a chance of of it coming local whereas london gets the chance every year.
Its no different with football either, all the national games have to be held at the white elephant of wembley even the semi’s and finals of cup comps have to be held there.
Leviathan
Ian, It is very strange that
Ian, It is very strange that Chris Froome and team Sky have been so quiet on this issue. I think that means that they have some very important questions to answer; their silence is very telling.ianrobo wrote:Actually I want out of this mean narrow minded country just a shame I can not speak French or Dutch :-(Having read your other posts I suggest the consistent thread is not the UK but you. Make sure to migrate legally.
spot on teaboy we do.
and the
spot on teaboy we do.and the local politicans here have let us down (of all colours) when it comes to lobbying for the cash. Compare Manchester Metro with ours ??
However the fact remains in terms of spending for head London has had far greater resources. This has allowed them to make more decisions.
For example we have to cut bus routes with subsidies and yet in London night buses, 24 hour tube etc all have the case to subsidise loss making routes etc.
So when it comes to allocation of money TFL and the Mayor (whether Ken or Boris) have had far greater choice what to do with the money as they have more of it.
This is not anti London I state again but anti the allocation of resources and different political rules for London as against the rest of the country
ianrobo wrote:no I don;t
ianrobo wrote:no I don;t blame London mate, I blame the allocation of resources to London.what London is doing is great for cycling, fantastic, I love the plans on Lorries and the CSH’s. What I want is for the whole country to have the same …
Instead we see in Birmingham the council funds will be cut by a further 20% in November …
We in London want that too, remember! Also, this isn’t something that’s being ‘given’ but the result of 2 years’ campaigning and about 20 deaths at the hands of HGVs in that time. I don’t even think it’s funded by anyone, just a requirement that businesses have to suck up.
Like I said earlier, you have to start somewhere when it comes to infrastructure, and I’d really like Birmingham to start somewhere too. 🙂 What’s your local Cycling Campaign group like? Have a look at the Stop Killing Cyclists facebook page too.
fukawitribe wrote:Yep – but
fukawitribe wrote:Yep – but we won’t get joined up thinking until we have a national plan and that ain’t happening any time soon.no it is not and the undemocractic so called devolution we are seeing is only going to make things worse. We are a small country on a Island, not the US and we need a consistent policy all over the UK for education/Health etc and yes transport for us to be successful as we all want on this forum.
fukawitribe
Yep – but we won’t get joined
Yep – but we won’t get joined up thinking until we have a national plan and that ain’t happening any time soon. I was mainly addressing your point “Yes london has spent millions on infrastructure, seen nothing here of trickle down from it.”no I don;t blame London mate,
no I don;t blame London mate, I blame the allocation of resources to London .. They get enough resources to have a cheap modern efficient public bus service, what do we get in the West Midlands, fares double the cost of London and falling bus use.what London is doing is great for cycling, fantastic, I love the plans on Lorries and the CSH’s. What I want is for the whole country to have the same …
Instead we see in Birmingham the council funds will be cut by a further 20% in November …
fukawitribe
ianrobo wrote:But the point
ianrobo wrote:But the point is that traffic rules have to apply nationwide, more cyclists cycle outside of London than in it. We all need the same protections it seems Londoners will have.I never believe in the political theory of trickle down at all. Yes london has spent millions on infrastructure, seen nothing here of trickle down from it.
In the NL or France the same infrastructure can be found across the country not just where the capital is.
Money has gone out nationally but we don’t have a national plan of action – we could argue the amount and number of areas that money has gone to for sure, but the point is it has and so is invariably up to the receiving authority to make sure it’s spent in the manner it was intended or at least in a sensible fashion. If it doesn’t – i’m not entirely sure we could blame ‘London’ (whatever that means) for all the failures.
But the point is that traffic
But the point is that traffic rules have to apply nationwide, more cyclists cycle outside of London than in it. We all need the same protections it seems Londoners will have.I never believe in the political theory of trickle down at all. Yes london has spent millions on infrastructure, seen nothing here of trickle down from it.
In the NL or France the same infrastructure can be found across the country not just where the capital is.
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