Is pro cycling finished

stumps wrote:daddyELVIS –

stumps wrote:

daddyELVIS – this is the problem as i see it. In your view if your connected in any way, shape or form with Sky you are a doper, simple as that, no ifs no buts you are a cheat and a doper.

So far, since Sky have been a team, i cant recall any of their riders failing a drugs test. I’m not talking about JTL as that was before he joined or Rogers as that was after he left and was with Saxo, so unless you are really really paranoid about Sky or are some sort of psychic i cant fathom where you get your info from that they do cheat.

I think i know the answer though………….. :?

daddyELVIS – this is the
daddyELVIS – this is the problem as i see it. In your view if your connected in any way, shape or form with Sky you are a doper, simple as that, no ifs no buts you are a cheat and a doper.

So far, since Sky have been a team, i cant recall any of their riders failing a drugs test. I’m not talking about JTL as that was before he joined or Rogers as that was after he left and was with Saxo, so unless you are really really paranoid about Sky or are some sort of psychic i cant fathom where you get your info from that they do cheat.

I think i know the answer though………….. 😕

fukawitribe wrote:daddyELVIS

fukawitribe wrote:

daddyELVIS wrote:

fukawitribe wrote:

Thank fuck for that, I thought for a moment some logic was going to be introduced into the discussion. By the way, just for record, what drugs do you think Wiggins was using for the hour attempt ?

Ah, you pulled your head out of your book of fairy tales! Don’t know if he was doping or not for the hour.

I’m not pretending cycling’s clean, far from it, but you do know he’s doping because everyone at the top of their game in cycling is, as you keep saying, everyone. So, MTFU and say which ones you reckon he’s on or realise that in a non-fairy-tale world there’s inevitably a bunch of cheats and some who aren’t.

I never said they dope all the time, so again I can’t say if he dope for the hour. What I will say is the the hour was much more believable than the Tour victory, and the 2012 season as a whole!

Kadinkski wrote:No, that’s

Kadinkski wrote:

No, that’s not what I’m saying. There are countless athletes at the top of their game not doping, I would actually say the majority of athletes at their absolute pinnacle are not doping. I’m saying that a small minority of athletes in any given distance event are doping – and those are the world beaters, the absolute elite of the elite, the top 20%.

Any successful doping program is tailored towards that athlete’s specific biochemistry, weaknesses, training program, anticipated anti-doping controls etc. My argument is about sport in general; It’s pointless for me to say what I think one specific person is on as it would be 100% wrong. It’s like me asking you what you think athlete Y’s natural nutritional intake is, or what athlete X’s training program is. It doesn’t prove anything and steers the argument away from that which I am making.

You are saying the all of the top 20% of distance athletes are definitely doping – i’m saying that’s nonsense. I’m not saying that doping doesn’t exist, nor that doping in some sports is absolutely rife at the top-level. I’ll relax my question if you want – are you absolutely convinced Wiggins is doping ? Beyond that, as Iamnot Wiggins said, it’s a tired old discussion and I can’t be arsed.

I once read on the internet
I once read on the internet that everybody dopes. Therefore, and because some faceless internet keyboard warrior said it, it must be 100% factual because they know everything about everything.

It’s a tired old discussion really, isn’t it. We all know it happens and it’s sad that everybody is now viewed with utmost suspicion when they have a good day. We all have great days on the bike normally followed by utter crap ones! As somebody has already pointed out, shit happens. Do you think cycling cares if you choose to no longer watch it on TV due to the fact that you can’t see beyond your own doubt? Of course it bloody doesn’t.

fukawitribe wrote:Thank fuck

fukawitribe wrote:

Thank fuck for that, I thought for a moment some logic was going to be introduced into the discussion. By the way, just for record, what drugs do you think Wiggins was using for the hour attempt ?

Ah, you pulled your head out of your book of fairy tales! Don’t know if he was doping or not for the hour. But he was sure pleased his hero, Big Mig was there to see him do it!

daddyELVIS wrote:…but

daddyELVIS wrote:

…but they’re all doped to some extent – some full-on, some using TUE grey areas (i.e. Legal doping), so no completely clean rider will have ‘enough’ to pull at the front of a top-class peloton. It’s the same in most top-class sports, and horse-racing too! It’s the way it is – it’s an industry! – developed over many generations to where it is today. How you reverse it, who knows? Certainly not by banning the odd athlete here and there, and not by making one huge athlete a scape-goat and announcing a ‘new clean era’ for everything tha came after! It’s a very complex issue, and a lot would need to come out in the open to even start to address it – but, anyone with a modicum of common-sense knows that top-level sport cannot be made up of athletes with a genuine need for asthma & thyroid drugs. What happened to all the athletes with 100% health? – come on, this can’t get better until we all stop pretending!

Yep. In my opinion the science behind identifying athletes with the optimal physiology along with training methods and nutrition has created a plateau for endurance sports; any athlete that has the optimum genetics, discipline and desire to train correctly, and access to a team of dieticians, physios, phycologists etc will reach that plateau and they’ll all be within 1% (maybe 2% at a stretch) of each other on any given day.

So if you’ve reached this plateau yet the winners are consistently 5% ahead of you, and you want to win that gold medal or yellow jersey, what are you going to do? Of course you’re going to dope, its the only logical choice – you know those people beating your arse are doing it and your short career and earning potential rely solely on winning that gold medal, on being a star. They’re not bad people, its the only thing standing between a successful career or just making up the numbers. In that position I’d do it – theres zero chance of being caught if you do it properly and the rewards are astronomical.