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May 15, 2015 at 7:32 am #24005
charlie29
From reading other forum posts, I know that I am not alone in being nervous of going downhill, but I wondered if anyone has actually managed to overcome this issue? :/
I am fairly new to road cycling and with the help of this forum (and the funny anecdotes) have managed to sort out my initial worries over the clipless pedals. đŸ™‚ I can’t seem to get over my fear of going downhill, though – I hang on to the breaks and feel completely embarrassed at how slowly I end up creeping down, especially when I am out with a group. :O
Please don’t tell me to just get a grip – I can’t! 8|
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gthornton101
I feel your pain on this, I
I feel your pain on this, I am very similar myself.Following one (fairly minor) crash and a couple of “death wobbles” coming down hills a couple of years ago I haven’t had the confidence to really descend at speed.
As soon as I get on the drops and the speed veers upwards of about 30mph my arms lock up and I panic brake. I often stay on the hoods for lots of less steep descents, just consistently scrubbing off a bit of speed to stay within my comfort zone rather than having to squeeze the levers for dear life! Just watch on longer descents you aren’t on the brakes all the way down as the rims can get very hot and I’ve heard can blow your inner tube.
I also moved my saddle back about 10mm which really helps locate your weight further back when coming downhill.
I am getting better, but it is just practise. Practise, practise, practise. Pick familiar roads and just go up and down to get used to how it feels going downhill at increasingly higher speeds. All the best!
fustuarium
It’s something I’ve been
It’s something I’ve been trying to come up with a plan for after a monumental crash in Autumn. What I’ve asked myself is ‘Is it cornering or downhill speed?’ It’s certainly just speed downhill. I can actually ride faster on the flat than I can tolerate descending! So, mechanical worries aside, why is this? It comes down to me feeling that above a certain speed I don’t have control, and that I may as well fall off now because it’s inevitable it’ll happen. So it’s not so such the speed, but my ability to control the bike whatever is comes along above a certain speed.I’ve read quite a few articles (and there are videos of) Oscar Saiz who does descending coaching for pro teams and riders. He puts them on MTB downhill courses first to get a sense of handling skills. That’s made me question my capability to control a bike. Can I ride with no hands, bunny hop, pull a wheelie, get the back tyre to slide out on a gravel corner etc etc? So once a week and when I go to the shops on the MTB I aim at the roughest bits of road or speed bumps, ride an off road track, and just generally dick around like a kid on their first bike. Plus it’s actually good fun! I would like to get better at falling off, as I’m sure there are good and bad ways of doing this. I’m not sure how to go about that bit though!
Another thing Saiz does is get trainees to do multiple descents of the same stretch of road without braking. After a few runs they knock seconds off a relatively short stretch of road. This is something I’ve done a few times and my threshold certainly gets further down the hill each time, playing around with things like position as others have said.
Things are slowly starting to coalesce. I’m still very cautious around others and traffic, but I’m fine with that. My end goal is to be comfortable again at 30pmh on a reasonable road. Then I can start thinking about corners…. đŸ˜‰
mikecassie
For me it has been practise
For me it has been practise and some more practise which has helped me relax going downhill. But having done the Fred Whitton this year, the descents there were totally different to what I’m used to. I was a lot slower than a lot of people there, even with lack of familiarity of the descents taken into account, I was slow. But I would sooner finish my ride by riding home and not by being driven home after a trip to A&E.
Also I prefer the overall average speed of a bike ride, I see people who reach well into the 40’s mph, but their average speed is slower than mine. For me making up the time on the climbs and flats is more important than the hairy chested max speed figure…
Do what you feel best for the time/situation, don’t be dragged into something you aren’t comfortable with, it’ll just end in tears.whizzkid
I used to be the same as
I used to be the same as this. Just practice, practice, practice. I would now describe myself as a moderately good and confident descender. I definitely prefer to descend on the drops. Doing lots of cyclo cross and a bit of BMX pump track on the cross bike has helped. Brake in a straight line, take the right line,look for the exit point….. Most importantly like climbing go at your own pace. Going uphill you have no choice, go too hard you blow up, downhill overextend yourself and it can be worse.
Try to relax though, slow and tense could be more dangerous than fast and relaxed!!Scrufftie
Having crashed at over 80kph
Having crashed at over 80kph on a descent some years ago, I can understand trepidation as I have largely lost my mojo.At high descending speeds, braking isn’t really an option if you get into trouble so do not go fast if you are not sure of the road ahead. I think most riders tend to sit too heavily on the bike, gripping the bars for grim death. Raising your behind and shifting it back helps with weight distribution, especially when you apply the brakes, and allows the bike to follow the road whilst you follow a smoother path. This means that the shock of bumps is only transmitted to and acts upon 7kg of bike, not 85kg of bike and rider combined. It feels much more controlled.
Remember, that 2 square cm of tyre contact will not enable you to stop quickly if you are descending at speed. Focusing on climbing quickly is much safer.
Tim1.9
I had a similar problem, but
I had a similar problem, but I got over the worst of it with a few of changes to the bike and regular practice. Some bike modifications had I found helped give me confidence were: swapping out the original cheap, nasty wheels for a £200 wheelset which got rid of a slight speed wobble about 30mph. Adding 10mm to the stem made the bike feel less twitchy. 25mm GP4000S tyres instead 23mm Gatorskins gave me a bit more grip and made it much easier to balance on the edge of locking the wheels on greasy roads. I’m still not the quickest downhill, but I’m not the slowest.charlie29
Thank you very much everyone,
Thank you very much everyone, very useful input. I am sure it is natural to be more cautious when descending due to the speed you build up, but in my case it is a bit extreme. đŸ˜‰ I have no problems on the flat or going uphill. But it’s a different story when I go down a hill – I have visions of having to brake suddenly whilst going downhill and the wheels going from under me and me falling with my feet attached to the pedals and possibly a car behind or coming the other way. So I end up frozen, gripping on to the brakes and edging down hills. :S It would be faster to walk down!Your advice has been really helpful in terms of the technique and I appreciate your support. đŸ™‚
Anthony.C
Your fears are quite
Your fears are quite rational, steep, narrow, winding, gravelly, potholed roads are horrible for descending which is why it’s better to go up them and descend on wide, smooth roads with a good view where you can let go. If there are woods at the side of the road there is the added danger of animals running out in front of you. Generally though, when descending try to keep your arms loose and relaxed and don’t grip the bars too tight, especially if there are crosswinds. Braking should be gentle to control the speed and build confidence, easing off the brakes fully on bends..Colin Peyresourde
I don’t think I would
I don’t think I would disagree with any of the advice above. The main thing is descending in a way that makes you feel comfortable. If you react under base instincts (rather those gained through experience) you’ll end up over your bars.I learnt a lot by watching others on the bike. And while you do not need to follow them, watch what they do and see how they successfully descend quicker. That can be hard on the white knuckle ride, but you’ll get a good sense for when then are braking and when they don’t. Try to follow them (brake at the same point they are braking, not at the same time). That can be hard but once you start trusting their approach you’ll improve your speed tolerances and feel safer.
The tendency is to sit high and move back from the speed, it’s something that affects skiers too, but just like skiing if you put your weight forward and get low you’ll have more control. Get on the drops and this will improve your ability to brake. After doing Pyrenean descents you need that control in the braking, your hands would die if your tried to do it on the hoods.
As one poster indicates with his story of Ditchling Rise, be careful on unknown sections of road, and also make sure you’re happy with surface/contrast of light. On mountain descents you often get run off which creates wet patches and cracks in the road, these are not a problem unless you’re cornering and trying to apply directional force over a looser surface. I did the RAB a few years ago and down the straighter, more open descents I was usually the fastest, but come tighter twistier descents I was more cautious. At one point holes were being filled with sand along one of the tracks, although no one I knew came down I was certainly happy that I had taken more caution in the approach and all of us felt certain that someone would have a nasty fall on this particular downhill descent with a sandy bend.
Colin Peyresourde
Martyn_K wrote: There are no
Martyn_K wrote:There are no medals handed out to the first one to the bottom of a narrow twisty decent.Yes there are. It’s called mountain biking.
Yorkshie Whippet
One more thing to add to all
One more thing to add to all the very good advice is possible try another bike. I loved the way Planet X Pro Carbon climbed and convinced myself I was absolutely pants at downhill. Anything above 20mph was brown streak inducing. Got myself another bike last year and was clocking up 40+ a bit too often.Some people are natural descenders just like some are natural climbers.
nadsta
Charlie practice on gentle
Charlie practice on gentle descents with good visibility through corners. Try to let the bike and gravity do the work, just freewheel at first weighting the inside pedal when necessary. Find a hill with bends that you can flow through without braking so not too steep, hands in the drops. Relax your upper body, allow the bars to track the road don’t fight them with a death grip. Try not to upset the bikes nature balance. Keep your breathing relaxed and don’t hold your breath in corners. Look through the corner, scan for gravel, understand how the sides of the road close down as a corner radius decreases and opens up again when you can get back on the power if you choose to.Front rear weight distribution is important and when you hit that front brake you transfer a lot of weight over the front wheel so stay as ‘neutral’ as you can. I used to practice riding a motor bike no hands down a mountain I lived next too, just using the rear (foot) brake. Eventually I could do it standing up, it’s just practice, technique and confidence. Definitely very little talent here.
Fwiw I went from motorcycles to road bikes. Descending in Lycra on 23mm tyres on wet gravelly Surrey hills is more terrifying than anything I’ve experienced riding and racing motorbikes. However my winter bike with discs and lower pressure 28mm tyres descends way better (faster and safer) than my lighter bike on 23 or 25 mm tyres. So try a wider tyre if possible at a lower pressure. Good luck, descending with confidence is a real pleasure.
Daveyraveygravey
JaseCD – fantastic post,
JaseCD – fantastic post, couldn’t put it better myself. I don’t want to think of myself as good or fast at descending but I tend to be the first of all my mates. Look quite a long way ahead, you’re going faster than usual so you need to be picking your lines and dodging potholes obstacles lumps of rock etc earlier. Watch the white lines and catseyes – at speed they can catch you out, especially if wet.
Remember the front brake is the powerful one, so don’t use it too hard if you’re cornering. The back one can be brilliant at changing your line and if you lock it up let it go and grab it again. I rode down an Italian mountain road on a bike with a dodgy back brake, God the hairpins were hard! Locking the back wheel doesn’t have to end in disaster but locking the front is almost guaranteed to have you gravel rashing.
I got one of the corners badly wrong on Ditchling Beacon not long ago, approaching way too fast and the corner was shaded so the road was damp. I couldn’t slow enough for the corner locked the back wheel and at one point the bike was drifting left with the road going right. Ended up rubbing my left shoulder and side on the muddy bank to slow before hitting the deck at a manageble speed. It goes to show no matter how much you think you know the road, you need to have some room to manoeuvre or make a plan B.gonedownhill
Get yourself to the back of
Get yourself to the back of the group at the start of the descent so that you don’t have all your mates trying to overtake you and then go at your own pace with the option of following their line if you so desire. You’ll soon catch them at the bottom anyway so no need to get uncomfortable if you’re just out to do something you enjoy.charlie29
Thank you very much everyone
Thank you very much everyone for your replies – they are really, really useful! đŸ™‚ -
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