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Giving up with pro cycling, maybe

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  • April 30, 2015 at 8:30 am #23886
    ianrobo

    the past two weeks have shown frankly unbelievable results and times if you believe the peloton is clean.

    Seeing a 35 year old win so many times, better than he was doping and younger riders being blasted out are for me clear warning signs. I love watching the cycling, I love the coverage but I am lose to giving it up because so many seem gullible. The latest is this nonsense ….

    the Inner Ring @inrng
    Fabio Aru tells La Gazzetta Dello Sport he got dysentery, 5kg weight loss no figure of speech, went from 62kg to 57kg, now at 60kg

    dysentery, oh FFS what a lie

    then the case of Kittel disappearing with a ‘virus’

    the reluctance to kick out Astana

    Is it really back to the EPO days ?

    I had so many hopes for Cookson

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  • May 2, 2015 at 9:06 pm #844203
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    Kadinkski

    Kittel’s as bent as any of
    Kittel’s as bent as any of them. Removing his blood, treating it with ultraviolet light and then transferring it back into his system like a dirty criminal. It wasn’t ruled illegal until later but doing that after all the blood doping & transfusion scandals. The lengths he is prepared to go to. What does that tell you about him?

    May 2, 2015 at 8:37 pm #844201
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    AJ101

    bashthebox wrote:If Kittel

    bashthebox wrote:
    If Kittel was doping he’d be able to get up hills without looking like a sunday rider. He’s also an extremely outspoken advocate for clean cycling. I’m giving him a very wide pass; he’s fast in the finish but absolutely nothing about the way he rides suggests doping.

    Absolutely mate, the blood irradiation treatment he was doing back in 2006ish wasn’t illegal then, so he was in the clear. He is totally 100% trustable rider.

    May 2, 2015 at 8:12 pm #844199
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    bashthebox

    If Kittel was doping he’d be
    If Kittel was doping he’d be able to get up hills without looking like a sunday rider. He’s also an extremely outspoken advocate for clean cycling. I’m giving him a very wide pass; he’s fast in the finish but absolutely nothing about the way he rides suggests doping.

    May 2, 2015 at 9:53 am #844197
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    pants

    When the last Astana scandal
    When the last Astana scandal broke out I said to myself I will no longer follow pro cycling if the team can carry on riding, and now here they are. Fuck it, everyone should just go out for rides and watch old videos of Eddy Merckx.

    May 2, 2015 at 3:08 am #844195
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    manmachine

    LMFAO…
    ‘Life bans’ giving
    LMFAO…
    ‘Life bans’ giving up pro cycling…etc, etc.
    :”( :”( :”(

    =)) =)) =))

    Another hysterical episode of the fan-boy Muppet show!

    May 1, 2015 at 10:34 pm #844193
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    fukawitribe

    Colin Peyresourde

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    fukawitribe wrote:
    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I agree with Chasseur Patate: I believe doping is part of every sport, I don’t believe a team is cleaner than another

    I think you’d find most people agreeing that there is doping going in pretty much every sport at some level – but that last bit just doesn’t make sense to me… you seem to be saying that all teams are doping and doing so at the same level. Do you see no possible issue with that sort of judgement – even ignoring evidence (or the lack of) and logic, does it not seem odd to you from a statistical point of view ?

    Nope. I’m not saying that they are doping equally efficiently.

    Indeed i’m not assuming the same efficiency but it would seem to involve a such a huge difference in it that the odds of it being a viable hypothesis are dropping markedly.

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I’m saying that they are all in an arms race and that they all pick up the weapons of war. If you read my comment again. You’ll see I then talk about the role of money.

    Of course they’re in an arms race, and there is a huge amount of money in many sports (not much, all things considered, in pro-cycling at the team level) – but without any realistic evidence for the effects of all this cash it makes you wonder whether there is something more nuanced going one… and this is also disregarding the fact that, even considering that pharmaceutical application will always lead detection, the physical performance of the riders doesn’t seem to track the budgets. I’m sure there is a significant amount of doping still going on in the pro-peloton but I don’t have the absolute conviction that every team is knowingly and systemically doing it that you have – and you don’t seem to have any compelling evidence to suggest you’re correct.

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I could qualify things further. But this is a comments page. Not an essay page.

    I’m all ears…

    May 1, 2015 at 10:17 pm #844191
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    Colin Peyresourde

    fukawitribe wrote:Colin

    fukawitribe wrote:
    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I agree with Chasseur Patate: I believe doping is part of every sport, I don’t believe a team is cleaner than another

    I think you’d find most people agreeing that there is doping going in pretty much every sport at some level – but that last bit just doesn’t make sense to me… you seem to be saying that all teams are doping and doing so at the same level. Do you see no possible issue with that sort of judgement – even ignoring evidence (or the lack of) and logic, does it not seem odd to you from a statistical point of view ?

    Nope. I’m not saying that they are doping equally efficiently. I’m saying that they are all in an arms race and that they all pick up the weapons of war. If you read my comment again. You’ll see I then talk about the role of money.

    I could qualify things further. But this is a comments page. Not an essay page.

    May 1, 2015 at 10:00 pm #844189
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    fukawitribe

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:I

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    I agree with Chasseur Patate: I believe doping is part of every sport, I don’t believe a team is cleaner than another

    I think you’d find most people agreeing that there is doping going in pretty much every sport at some level – but that last bit just doesn’t make sense to me… you seem to be saying that all teams are doping and doing so at the same level. Do you see no possible issue with that sort of judgement – even ignoring evidence (or the lack of) and logic, does it not seem odd to you from a statistical point of view ?

    May 1, 2015 at 8:37 pm #844187
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    Chasseur Patate

    ianrobo wrote:the

    ianrobo wrote:
    the aforementioned Kittel has abandoned in Yorkshire, presume the ‘virus’ eh ?

    Clutching at straws with Kittel there to be honest. Other than being extremely quick (which isn’t a crime btw) there are no alarm bells ringing with him for me. He was reported as looking quite ill at the start today.

    May 1, 2015 at 8:22 pm #844185
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    Chasseur Patate

    That said. When Valverde and
    That said. When Valverde and Rebellin win I tend to throw stuff at my telly. It’s like being at the pantomime. Every show needs a bad guy.

    Booooooooo!!!!!!

    May 1, 2015 at 8:16 pm #844183
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    Colin Peyresourde

    Pandora’s box is open and no
    Pandora’s box is open and no man can close it.

    I agree with Chasseur Patate: I believe doping is part of every sport, I don’t believe a team is cleaner than another, in fact the more a team/rider wins it probably makes it clear he does. In some ways Armstrong is right, that doping makes it a level playing field…of sorts. There is still competition because at the apex of the arms race testing is helping give parity. But like all sports, money buys winners – money buys guarantees and it does that by buying the insurance of medication which is a shame. Money, as anyone who follows the Premiership spoils competition.

    I can still enjoy the races. But the things I enjoy the most are the unpredictable, the chaos thrown into the system – E3 this year will remain with me for a long time, and Omloop.

    May 1, 2015 at 3:02 pm #844181
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    farrell

    ianrobo wrote:the

    ianrobo wrote:
    the aforementioned Kittel has abandoned in Yorkshire, presume the ‘virus’ eh ?

    Surely if he was using the virus as a cover for missing the race to avoid a “glow” period being detected, it would be pretty pointless to actually go and attempt the race?

    The testers would be able to take a sample when he gets back to the team bus.

    May 1, 2015 at 2:29 pm #844179
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    ianrobo

    the aforementioned Kittel has
    the aforementioned Kittel has abandoned in Yorkshire, presume the ‘virus’ eh ?

    April 30, 2015 at 8:06 pm #844177
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    Simon E

    mike the bike wrote:I’d

    mike the bike wrote:
    I’d sooner have a sausage than be hungry.

    I’d prefer to go hungry for a little longer and find something rather better.

    April 30, 2015 at 5:03 pm #844175
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    mike the bike

    crikey wrote:Two quotes which

    crikey wrote:
    Two quotes which sum it up:

    ‘Professional cycling is like sausages; I like sausages, but I don’t want to know how they are made’…….

    My first job after leaving school involved making sausages for a local butcher. Now, fifty years later, every time I’m faced with a sausage I still think of those hours spent pushing fatty off-cuts of gristle through a mincer.
    But hey, I’d sooner have a sausage than be hungry.

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