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  • April 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm #23784
    sjb2332

    Ok that might sound a bit dramatic but I got pulled over tonight and had a blazing row – all because I didn’t signal to pull across the road outside my house …
    The fact that I was coming downhill and had both hands on the brakes didn’t wash …

    I explained my personal safety was more important than the need to give hand signals but it didn’t matter

    Its a pity they aren’t as committed to bike crime …

    ps my daily commute is 9 miles each way so I’d like to think that after 2 years ( of no accidents) I’m a good judge of what works

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  • April 21, 2015 at 10:48 am #842287
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    MKultra

    I have never felt the need to
    I have never felt the need to threaten people on the internet just for using the word idiot, or in person.

    Bye bye Mr Punchy.

    April 21, 2015 at 10:15 am #842285
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    sjb2332

    Why do you feel the need to
    Why do you feel the need to call me an idiot cyclist ?

    If you met me on a train and i told you my story would you be brave enough to call me an idiot to my face ?

    probably not……

    Why do you feel the need to hide behind your keyboard and take pot shots – why not offer something constructive instead ?

    April 21, 2015 at 10:12 am #842283
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    TheHound

    These kind of threads always
    These kind of threads always reinforce my idea that as many idiot drivers there are, there’s just as many idiot cyclists.

    Also a lot of the time the police aren’t pulling you over from a law point of view, but keeping you and others safe point of view.

    April 21, 2015 at 7:29 am #842281
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    stenmeister

    Once I was indicating right
    Once I was indicating right for a mini roundabout, hit a pothole because I was keeping an eye on the traffic and crashed on the verge because I didn’t have full control. My own personal lesson here was to slow down and indicate when safe to do so, not speed into the junction in the hope that I could slingshot round it.

    On another note, I had a police man apologised to me on sunday. It was a Y junction and I was going right. He came behind me but then realised he wanted to go left and as he changed his mind, he wound the window down and said ‘sorry mate’.

    April 21, 2015 at 7:08 am #842279
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    KiwiMike

    Plasterer’s Radio wrote:If I

    Plasterer’s Radio wrote:
    If I were in your position, I’d have accepted their point of view (reluctantly) made my point, then be on my way.
    Getting openly angry with them will make matters worse. Let them think they are in charge…

    Gotta disagree. I’d politely but firmly argue my point, and if they stuck to their line I’d take their collar number and file a complaint. You’d hope they would end up having a chat with a Sergeant, who would (probably after looking it up themselves) put them right.

    That way you’ve helped make the lives of future cyclists better, and helped improve the standard of Policing.

    April 21, 2015 at 6:56 am #842277
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    Russell Orgazoid

    If I were in your position,
    If I were in your position, I’d have accepted their point of view (reluctantly) made my point, then be on my way.
    Getting openly angry with them will make matters worse. Let them think they are in charge…
    But I agree with you about wishing their attitude to cyclists own safety was as strong.
    The world is full of prats. These rozzers just sound like more of the same.

    April 21, 2015 at 6:54 am #842275
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    sjb2332

    thanks for your reply, most
    thanks for your reply, most helpful !

    I’m going to stick with your ‘option 1’ – i’ve tried this approach but i still get ‘beeped’ for not singalling when i come to a stop . Having said that it does seems the best suggestion……

    ps good shout about the …handbook, i may look into this

    April 21, 2015 at 5:23 am #842273
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    Anonymous

    Tin hat at the ready.
    For
    Tin hat at the ready.

    For cyclists in the UK a left turn signal is a courtesy signal and a right turn signal is a safety signal. You must maintain control of your vehicle at all times.

    If it is not practicable for safety or cycle control reasons then the right turn (safety) signal can be omitted. For instance when turning right at a mini-roundabout. You would signal right as you approached but cease to signal as you turn.

    In the SJB2332’s example (bearing in mind I don’t know where the incident occurred) the rider has two options.
    1) Signal right before he moves to the centre of the road and then give no signal (road position shows he intends to turn right) or a brief signal before applying brakes. or
    2) Stop on the left and then cross the road at right angles after proper observations (like a pedestrian).

    Additional. When dealing with the police – remain calm and reasonable. Chances are he hasn’t checked in his handbook to see if an offence has been committed. You can buy a copy of the Blackstones Police Operational Handbook 2015. (It’s quite good fun to leave it in an office and observe discretely which section people turn to.)

    April 21, 2015 at 1:28 am #842271
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    Shep73

    It’s worth remembering that
    It’s worth remembering that the Police riders handbook stipulates you don’t need to indicate, especially if it will confuse other road users. That’s using a motor vehicle so they cannot penalise a cyclist for not doing so.

    April 20, 2015 at 11:48 pm #842269
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    jacknorell

    farrell wrote:So why is it

    farrell wrote:
    So why is it such a shock that cyclists will also go around the parked car? Why do people have such difficulty comprehending that this will happen?

    Same, seems so simple, but clearly mustn’t be.

    April 20, 2015 at 10:40 pm #842267
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    shay cycles

    The police have no business
    The police have no business stopping a cyclist for not signalling. Good or bad manners or practice is irrelevant, the cyclist is not required to signal and therefore cannot be stopped simply for not signalling. Would I argue if I was stopped for not signalling – the paraphrase Ed Milliband – Hell yes!

    If the police want to stop the cyclist for something else then they should give that as the reason for stopping him.

    In terms of advice or support as requested by the OP:

    A) you were not obliged to signal and therefore should not have been stopped
    B) when making a manoeuvre without signalling you can make your intent clear to oth road users by other methods including; road positioning (nice and early), shoulder checks, eye contact etc.

    I don’t understand why people are giving the OP a hard time here.

    April 20, 2015 at 10:16 pm #842265
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    farrell

    Leodis wrote:Are you 15?

    Leodis wrote:
    Are you 15? Indicating when you can is a common courtesy for other road users. I get a little tired of having to indicate for other cyclists as they swerve into the road for parked cars

    This is a particular pet hate of mine.

    A car is parked up on the left, quite often causing the traffic to move out to the right in order to get round it, as driving straight in to the back of a parked car would be ludicrous even for most drivers.

    So why is it such a shock that cyclists will also go around the parked car? Why do people have such difficulty comprehending that this will happen?

    Unless somebody could fill me in on any magical techniques that mean you can just cycle through parked cars like some sort of two wheeled ghost?

    April 20, 2015 at 9:51 pm #842263
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    atgni

    Highway code rule 67 – you
    Highway code rule 67 – you should…Give a clear signal to show other road users what you indeed to do…

    Not a MUST. You seem to describe you house as on a blind corner so some indication or slowing down more does sound a good idea or possible crossing a bit earlier if that’d work.

    April 20, 2015 at 9:24 pm #842261
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    KiwiMike

    Jesus guys, back the truck up
    Jesus guys, back the truck up a little.Yeah, way too many keyboard warriors. Lighten up and give the guy a break. You weren’t there. I often don’t indicate, particularly to turn left, because staying in control is more important and other road users have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to a: not run into the back of me and b: not turn across my path, ***regardless*** of what I’m doing with my arms at the time.

    There are many of examples of Police, PCSO’s and parking wardens not understanding the law, instead rather doling out what they *think* is the law. No, I wouldn’t accept a telling-off from a public employee either, if I knew they were in the wrong and were being a jerk about it. The onus is on them to know the law and to apply it to the highest of standards.

    And they should have been out catching people on their mobiles anyway.

    And another thing: this BS about it being ‘courtesy’ to indicate don’t wash. What you actually mean is ‘as a driver, I demand that second or so of advance notice of your intention, so I can drive my car forward to occupy the space you will have just departed, a few seconds sooner, because I’m more important than you’. Cars have indicators so others are *warned* of their intent, because they can kill you.

    April 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm #842259
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    700c

    Sounds like you were going
    Sounds like you were going too fast if you weren’t safely able to indicate before cutting across the road.

    HTH.

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