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  • February 5, 2015 at 2:15 pm #23196
    ianrobo

    We have had the debate with callipers vs discs but in this debate is there really any debate ?

    GCN have just published a vid from Dubai which shows 90% of the pro’s are now on electronics and if not for the cost I would imagine most of us amateurs would be as well. Since going to EPS and comparing it to the mech of chorus (ok got record EPS so difficult to quite compare like to like) then the difference in shifting is light years.

    Is there anyone who would not want to use electronic (be it EPS, DI2 ) over mech if we ignore the cost of it ?

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  • February 6, 2015 at 2:36 pm #830939
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    ianrobo

    truffy wrote:There just seems

    truffy wrote:
    There just seems something inherently wrong in plugging a pushbike into the mains to charge it.

    I am luddite, hear me drag knuckles on ground.

    thats me with Disc brakes !

    February 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm #830937
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    truffy

    There just seems something
    There just seems something inherently wrong in plugging a pushbike into the mains to charge it.

    I am luddite, hear me drag knuckles on ground.

    February 6, 2015 at 2:23 pm #830935
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    Jimmy Ray Will

    redmeat wrote:
    I’m fascinated

    redmeat wrote:

    I’m fascinated that you think electronic shifting has an effect on your overall speed. Don’t get me wrong – I’m well aware of the other benefits of electronic systems but I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone claim it makes them faster and I’d like to understand why.

    In theory… if your gears shift well, and are easier to facilitate and you are more confident in your gears, then you are more likely to change gear more often.

    An example of this taken to the extreme is with winter bikes… when the gear cable is well past its replacement date and shifting is terrible, you will instinctively change gear less and tolerate less than ideal cadences more of the time.

    So, working that in reverse, if you change gear more often, you will spend a greater percentage of time in an optimal cadence range, which in turn will delay fatigue and help you get more watts out for longer.

    Thus, making you faster.

    February 6, 2015 at 2:19 pm #830933
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    ianrobo

    redmeat wrote:ianrobo

    redmeat wrote:
    ianrobo wrote:
    redmeat wrote:
    [

    How much quicker do you go on your Di2 bike?

    EPS but same difference. Difficult to tell at the moment because other factors are there. All I can say is that the gear changing esp up hill under power is so much smoother.

    I’m fascinated that you think electronic shifting has an effect on your overall speed. Don’t get me wrong – I’m well aware of the other benefits of electronic systems but I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone claim it makes them faster and I’d like to understand why.

    It is about the hills, just been out on my usual ride for 90 mins and when spinning at 100 up an hill I want smooth changes, that makes you quicker but with mech the slight delay can put you off your spin for a short while to lose some momentum.

    It is just one of the factors I look at, bike is lighter, I am lighter and fitter and I have EPS.

    February 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm #830931
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    glynr36

    Sounds like someone has
    Sounds like someone has really tried to justify electronic gears to themselves!
    FWIW the guys who won the last 3 races I entered were all on 10 Speed 105.
    And the guy dead last, Dura Ace Di2 11 Speed…

    February 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm #830929
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    redmeat

    ianrobo wrote:redmeat

    ianrobo wrote:
    redmeat wrote:
    [

    How much quicker do you go on your Di2 bike?

    EPS but same difference. Difficult to tell at the moment because other factors are there. All I can say is that the gear changing esp up hill under power is so much smoother.

    I’m fascinated that you think electronic shifting has an effect on your overall speed. Don’t get me wrong – I’m well aware of the other benefits of electronic systems but I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone claim it makes them faster and I’d like to understand why.

    February 6, 2015 at 11:28 am #830927
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    ianrobo

    redmeat wrote:[
    How much

    redmeat wrote:
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    How much quicker do you go on your Di2 bike?

    EPS but same difference. Difficult to tell at the moment because other factors are there. All I can say is that the gear changing esp up hill under power is so much smoother.

    February 6, 2015 at 11:09 am #830925
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    stenmeister

    ianrobo wrote:stenmeister

    ianrobo wrote:
    stenmeister wrote:
    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive raving, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    I’m sure it helps but it’s just one factor that contributes to becoming faster and better. I’ve seen guys on Di2 who are distinctly average on Strava compared to others who ride a winter bike with Shimano Sora.

    sure, there is no one thing on cycling that makes it go quicker, it is about the whole package. But as I said if we take the cost out of it then would anyone for their next bike not get electronic ?

    Yeah, it think it’s good to remember your original question before we all lose our heads over what makes a good cyclist :* I think I’ll stick with original answer and say no.

    February 6, 2015 at 11:02 am #830923
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    Al__S

    I’m wondering when the
    I’m wondering when the single-control shifting that Shimano have put on their MTB Di2 will be brought into their road range

    February 6, 2015 at 10:52 am #830921
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    redmeat

    ianrobo wrote:redmeat

    ianrobo wrote:
    redmeat wrote:
    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive racing, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    How does electronic shifting make you go faster?

    for me a big difference. I believe my mech bike is fantastic but I can feel the shifts as you go up and down at high power is much better, much smoother. Some of it is a mental thing of course, if you think it will make you go quicker, it is likely to.

    Sure if I was into audaxing then see no real point to electronic but otherwise, difficult.

    How much quicker do you go on your Di2 bike?

    February 6, 2015 at 10:16 am #830919
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    ianrobo

    stenmeister wrote:ianrobo

    stenmeister wrote:
    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive raving, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    I’m sure it helps but it’s just one factor that contributes to becoming faster and better. I’ve seen guys on Di2 who are distinctly average on Strava compared to others who ride a winter bike with Shimano Sora.

    sure, there is no one thing on cycling that makes it go quicker, it is about the whole package. But as I said if we take the cost out of it then would anyone for their next bike not get electronic ?

    February 6, 2015 at 10:13 am #830917
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    ianrobo

    redmeat wrote:ianrobo

    redmeat wrote:
    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive racing, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    How does electronic shifting make you go faster?

    for me a big difference. I believe my mech bike is fantastic but I can feel the shifts as you go up and down at high power is much better, much smoother. Some of it is a mental thing of course, if you think it will make you go quicker, it is likely to.

    Sure if I was into audaxing then see no real point to electronic but otherwise, difficult.

    February 6, 2015 at 10:12 am #830915
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    stenmeister

    ianrobo wrote:thats fair

    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive raving, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    I’m sure it helps but it’s just one factor that contributes to becoming faster and better. I’ve seen guys on Di2 who are distinctly average on Strava compared to others who ride a winter bike with Shimano Sora.

    February 6, 2015 at 10:10 am #830913
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    redmeat

    ianrobo wrote:thats fair

    ianrobo wrote:
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive raving, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

    How does electronic shifting make you go faster?

    February 6, 2015 at 9:28 am #830911
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    ianrobo

    thats fair enough and I am
    thats fair enough and I am not certainly into competitive raving, yet. However for sportives etc where you want to get faster and better, where you are interested in your starva segments etc then I think it makes an hell of a difference.

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