Spring Classics 2015

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    Nix

    The next major competition I am looking at getting organised for is the Spring Classics 2015. I would also like to get some prizes organised for a mini-league if it is still possible to run a standard mini-league competition.

    Is anyone able to tell me how the Spring Classics will run this year?

    For example:

    – Will they be the same 12 races as last year, which will mean Omloop Het Nieuwsblad will be first on 22nd Feb … that’s less than a month away.

    – Will it be possible for players to run a mini-league for this with just standard scoring on its own, i.e. not standard + purist + whatever scores all added together as aggregate league “scores”.

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  • #829165
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    Twybaydos

    Ow – Enrique’s filibustering
    Ow – Enrique’s filibustering is hurting my head in this thread – not all statistics give additional information mate.

    I wrote a post about a week ago regarding a standard comp involving all races (with fantastic prize) whilst splitting ardennes and Belgian cobbles to two separate purist comps. Was this noted by the powers that be and either decided for or against? TERatcliffe – did you see this?

    #829163
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    enrique

    stumps wrote:You have no idea

    stumps wrote:
    You have no idea how much research i do… its about getting a balanced team who can get points consistently without having to make wholesale changes…
    Well, granted, but still, it’s not having a lot of transfers just to ‘wing it’, in my mind… I think we want to make very (!) informed choices of who to transfer in… You’re doing your planning to set up the team ‘without having to make wholesale changes’, we’d like to plan on having a few more transfers so our research into who to bring in pays off, and we just want more transfers for this competition because it’s so different from the others… I’ll take nothing away from you for the amount of research you do… I just think it’s unfair for you to qualify ‘wanting more transfers to bring in different riders for this particular competiton’ as ‘disinterest in doing research’… I just don’t think that’s true… If you ask me anyone who plays this game with a passion must do a lot (!) of research! Including those of us who would love to get a few more transfers for this competition… :W

    #829161
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    TERatcliffe26

    Yep both those races, unless
    Yep both those races, unless Dave decides otherwise between now and opening.

    Not that I plan on looking, it wont make too much difference, as unless I look before sunday i wont have time to plan until next friday by which time you will all know whats happening anyway

    #829159
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    Stumps

    You have no idea how much
    You have no idea how much research i do and its not about swapping in “big boys” as you seem to keep mentioning its about getting a balanced team who can get points consistently without having to make wholesale changes because you haven’t been arsed to do the work or simply because you have a load of transfers.

    If that means swapping a “big boy” around so be it but it also includes swapping in and out lesser riders who have done well on similar courses and weather conditions previously.

    As you point out GvA rode nearly all the races last year and is valued at 21.7 at the mo and Edvald Boasson Hagen is only 13 points so you can get very good riders without picking the “big boys”.

    #829157
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    enrique

    stumps wrote:…your…

    stumps wrote:
    …your… comments… show… you dont have the interest in spending time doing your homework for races and only want a lot of transfers to make up for that lack of interest…
    That’s not fair, stumpy… I think the man started the thread precisely because he wanted to prepare for the races… I don’t know if you can ‘see’ this, but one can do a lot of research precisely (!) to make more informed transfers, not just to build the ‘better team for the long run’… The only discrepancy I see is you (!) want to do research and swap 2, maybe 3, or so ‘Big Boys’ in and out every day and we do research trying to figure out who’s the better – ‘smaller’- the less ‘well known’ rider we hope can bring in for particular races in this competition if we have enough transfers to also (!) swap out the ‘Big Boys, like you would 😕 … If I had to guess, I’d say Nix does just as much and maybe more (!) research than you or I… 😕

    #829155
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    Stumps

    Nix wrote:You can do all the

    Nix wrote:
    You can do all the thought experiments or boast all you want.

    Facts and mathematics (statistics) says that ….
    The more trades you have, the more strategy and good planning is rewarded, and the less luck is a factor.
    Conversely, the less trades you have, the less strategy is rewarded, and the more luck is a factor.

    I’m not boasting about anything, i’m trying to get across that if you put the work in you usually get the results. In cycling luck is always a factor regardless of amount of transfers, just look at stage1a of the Andalucia race with 2 big crashes.

    Also there’s a saying …….”lies, damn lies and statistics”.

    Also your later comments about not wanting to do purist races and eye sticking in my opinion shows that you dont have the interest in spending time doing your homework for races and only want a lot of transfers to make up for that lack of interest 😕

    #829153
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    enrique

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:No

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    No surprises in the races enrique…
    Thanks, TER, so we can expect Scheldeprijs and Brabantse Pijl?… 😕 Truly lovely! 🙂

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    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    i dont know the values, left that to dave…
    No peeking then! :W You might get a head start on your planning! :”( But if you happen to look, just post some values we might find interesting… 😉

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    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    I know about bole but that is in a 2.1 race not a world tour race which was sort of the point i was making
    Look, I think you’re right 😕 Looking at the winners and all Top 20’s from last year’s races, without looking at Brabantse Pijl and Scheldeprijs, these are the only riders who scored a Top 20 in any race in the competition who belonged to a ‘smaller’ team:
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    Sonny Colbrelli Bardiani CSF 6
    Davide Rebellin CCC Polsat Polkowice 13
    Baptiste Planckaert Roubaix Lille Metropole 13
    Maxime Vantomme Roubaix Lille Metropole 19
    Yves Lampaert Topsport Vlaanderen – Baloise 4
    Tom Van Asbroeck Topsport Vlaanderen – Baloise 6
    Zico Waeytens Topsport Vlaanderen – Baloise 15
    Jelle Wallays Topsport Vlaanderen – Baloise 16
    Olivier Chevalier Wallonie – Bruxelles 16
    Jean-Pierre Drucker Wanty – Groupe Gobert 6
    Bjorn Leukemans Wanty – Groupe Gobert 9
    Laurens De Vreese Wanty – Groupe Gobert 16
    James Vanlandschoot Wanty – Groupe Gobert 20

    Some of those are to be expected, like Leukemans, Bardiani and Rebellin… Others have moved on to bigger teams this year, Drucker and Lampaert I think 😕 … But I keep thinking (God, I’m even boring myself now! 😀 ), what’s wrong with getting one more transfer a race to switch out some of your fillers, mid level riders and 3.0 riders? :W

    Let us fish for more points every day in the breakaways, etc… 😀 We all know the game will be won on who makes the most accurate ‘Big Boy’ swaps… Why not let us fish a little with ‘Little Boy’ swaps, too?… Hmmm… do I whine like a little boy?… 😕 I do… But thanks for the exhange and the info… :X

    Nix wrote:
    … I’d rather stick a fork in my eye…
    Oh, God, I laughed 🙂

    #829151
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    chiv30

    Nix wrote:chiv30

    Nix wrote:
    chiv30 wrote:
    Enrique/Nix

    I’ll be honest you are both just starting to regurgitate your previous posts .
    For a real world scenario on the spring classics of a purist game go look at last year’s forum fun only purist spring classics thread , rosters had to be submitted prior to the start with one team overhaul between classic types everyone had to research yes luck would have been a factor but research was important if you wanted a good points haul (barring rider crashes etc)

    No transfers still fun and still most ppl scored most races and it made it a tighter comp.

    Now I’m not sure how they are going to be setup this year but I’d suggest with both of you just going over old ground then Dave et al have probably stopped even looking at this thread and have made their decision

    I’m not sure who you are talking to. I’ve never played a purist game and never will – even though I am a paid up premium player and was last year. Why would I want to look at an old thread about one? I’d rather stick a fork in my eye.

    You purist guys are like a cult. I understand how the game works perfectly. I am not interested in the subjective beliefs of purist players about a type of game I do not intend to ever play. It simply isn’t relevant to me.

    To clarify then “Enrique/Nix”

    Im sure that points out who i was addressing the post towards.

    I play both im not a “purist guy” and always have done
    The reason i pointed you in the direction of an old forum purist thread was purely to illustrate the fact that your numbers games you have been quoting simply dont ring true if you look at the setup and rules that were imposed in that game

    ie no transfers rewarded the people willing to do the research looking for the value riders to get points during a classics race

    Btw the comment about wanting to stick a fork in your eye is more telling on how you feel about transfers than all of your numbers put together

    #829149
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    stenmeister

    Instead of farting around
    Instead of farting around trying to get the team right for every single classic and moaning about transfers, just choose one classic, pick the perfect team for that race and win.

    #829147
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    TERatcliffe26

    No surprises in the races
    No surprises in the races enrique

    i dont know the values, left that to dave as he needs to some extra bits yet

    I know about bole but that is in a 2.1 race not a world tour race which was sort of the point i was making

    #829145
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    Nix

    chiv30 wrote:Enrique/Nix
    I’ll

    chiv30 wrote:
    Enrique/Nix

    I’ll be honest you are both just starting to regurgitate your previous posts .
    For a real world scenario on the spring classics of a purist game go look at last year’s forum fun only purist spring classics thread , rosters had to be submitted prior to the start with one team overhaul between classic types everyone had to research yes luck would have been a factor but research was important if you wanted a good points haul (barring rider crashes etc)

    No transfers still fun and still most ppl scored most races and it made it a tighter comp.

    Now I’m not sure how they are going to be setup this year but I’d suggest with both of you just going over old ground then Dave et al have probably stopped even looking at this thread and have made their decision

    I’m not sure who you are talking to. I’ve never played a purist game and never will – even though I am a paid up premium player and was last year. Why would I want to look at an old thread about one? I’d rather stick a fork in my eye.

    You purist guys are like a cult. I understand how the game works perfectly. I am not interested in the subjective beliefs of purist players about a type of game I do not intend to ever play. It simply isn’t relevant to me.

    #829143
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    backflipbedlem

    I’m all for more
    I’m all for more transfers!

    Still not convinced about this years limited transfer count and lack of prizes, which was a great incentive last year.
    The limited transfers stops people stage hunting more, but the incentive to stage hunt has gone with no more daily prizes up for grabs. 😕 8}

    #829141
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    enrique

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:The

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    The bigger the race the less likely a rider 5 credits or below will score any predictable points… Certainly cant see there being a rider of a small value where u could say he should top 10 and get a decent hall of points…
    Well… we’ll see… Greg Bole , I think, has been or is a 3.0 rider… But again… for me , it’s about the fun of being able to take a few more risks… Even if they don’t pan out! 🙂 And, of course, you’re probably right, but it would add a a little bit of excitement to a very exciting part of the season… They’re extraordinary races, and so many riders to pick from! 🙂 It’s like going to a dance and instead of one sorority show up, 15 (!) show up, hell, I want to dance with all the girls I can! 🙂 And well, it’d be nice to try out a few different combinations rather than stick to the old ‘swap ‘Big Boys’ in, swap ‘Big Boys’ out rouitne for most of the year, which is fun, mind you, and challenging… But… 😕 Hmmm… I wonder if… ? 😕 … Yes… I think I did repeat myself… 😕 Damn! :W I’m growing old…

    #829139
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    enrique

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:… ive

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    … ive already loaded into the game the 13 races which will happen…
    That’s great! Thanks!… Any surprises in the races?…

    #829137
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    TERatcliffe26

    Heres something to put to bed
    Heres something to put to bed your need for an extra transfer, to change around your 3 credit riders.

    The bigger the race the less likely a rider 5 credits or below will score any predictable points (just top 20 finish and gc points, not counting breakaways as they are unpredictable).

    In oman i make it 2 riders under 5 scored points that u could predict, ventoso coming 12th and konrad for gc/yr the last 2 stages.

    Well in the classics u dont have gc points, and the riders from those smaller teams that are likely to score points are likely to be higher than 5 credits as have form from last year (marcato at wanty now, could say he showed spells as top 20 rider for cannondale in the classics and thus i reckon maybe around the 8-12 credit mark, hardly just a small time swap.

    Certainly cant see there being a rider of a small value where u could say he should top 10 and get a decent hall of points.

    Finally i agree with chivs point above, ive already loaded into the game the 13 races which will happen and dave already has a ballpark figure for transfers, so not much will change now, as i expect it to be open by wednesday

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