Spring Classics 2015

Joelsim wrote:The more

Joelsim wrote:

The more transfers there are, the more similar the teams will be…

I’ve come up with a way to try and illustrate my point.

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Here’s what I have:

On Stage 3 of Qatar, the Time Trial stage, at least 17.1% of the teams in the Standard competititon were ‘unique’ teams…

On Stage 6 of the Tour of Qatar, at least 12.9% of the teams in the Standard competititon were ‘unique’ teams…

I wish I could see the results for Stage 1, but I don’t see how to get them… I figure the higher percentage of unique teams is on Stage 1, but I don’t know for sure.

My premise is as a competition is drawing close to the end, the more similar teams you will get… 😕

Would the Purist competition have a higher percentage of unique teams? :W

I’d need to see the scoring information for the Tour of Qatar Purist competition, which I don’t have access to because I didn’t play it.

Still, with a much more varied terrain, 6 more stages, 550 (!) more riders to choose from in 27 more (!) teams, with practically no (!) riders that ride both (!) the Ardennes and the Cobbled Races, why would you expect more (?) similar teams from less (!) transfers?

If I had access to the TDU Standard and Purist scores, I’d gladly compare those! But I didnt play the TDU, so I can’t see it.

It’s not anywhere perfect, but it could prove whether teams actually vary more, the more transfers you’re given…

Now, if we go with a 15 man Purist team in the Classics, well, it may not be a good comparison, because the Standard teams would only have 8 or 9 man teams, but I’d be happy to try this methodology on another competiton in the future, if somebody will provide the Purist team data… But I think you get my point… In my mind more transfers means more different teams…

Dave Atkinson wrote:one other

Dave Atkinson wrote:

one other option that’s possible within the current game engine is just to give everyone a nice big squad, say 15/18 riders, and then you can make your picks for the whole classics season. thoughts? they’d all score, every race. but then they wouldn’t all be riding every race.

Honestly for a purists comp I think that’s the best solution but again can you accommodate that and go with your idea about a std comp simultaneously?

If the answer is yes then I’d stick with it :B

Joelsim wrote:…The more

Joelsim wrote:

…The more transfers there are, the more similar the teams will be…

I look at it the other way around, the less transfers you have, the more I think you play conservatively, go for the sure things, the safe bets, with more transfers and 231 riders that only ride 1 race you can change your team to bring in that guy from a smaller team who will ride his butt off ’cause he’s got only one chance to race at this level the whole year…

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The less transfers you have, the more you’ll stick with Boonen, Cancellara, Vanmarcke and Van Avermaet…

The more transfers you have, the more you might risk bringing in different riders for Strade Bianche and the Ardennes… the less transfers you have the more the chance you’ll stick to just bringing in the favorites…

I have no idea why you’d think more transfers mean more similar teams? :W

With 691 riders to choose from, the more transfers we get the more the chance that we’ll rotate some of the mid level riders rather than just rotate through the ‘Big Guns’…

Think of Purists, I think Purist teams end up being more alike because people tend to go to the safer bets… I just find it strange you’d think more transfers means more similar teams… 😕

If I could get a data dump from Dave after this is all through, I’d love to analyze it… 😕

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TERatcliffe26 wrote:…I

TERatcliffe26 wrote:

…I believe transfers will either be at 40 or 45

How about 52?… 😀 Or an even 48? But 52 sounds better, 4 per race day and 4 more to cover the complete transition to the Ardennes!:? Thanks!

Last year:
Dave Atkinson
Last year:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

The final 12:

1st March Omloop
2nd March Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne
8th March Strade Bianchi
9th March Roma Maxima
23rd March Milan Sanremo
28th March E3 Harelbeke
30th March Gent-Wevelgem
6th April Flanders
13th April Paris-Roubaix
20th April Amstel Gold
23rd April Fleche Wallonie
27th April Liege-Bastogne-Liege

Ok, so last year we had the races listed above. 12 races. Unlimited transfers. I don’t think anybody did, but basically with 12 races you could have made 99 transfers, based on completely overhauling your team every time you could… 😕

In a Grand Tour, we used to get 2 transfers a day, including 2 on rest days, too… :W

It seems that this year we’ve been getting the equivalent of 2 transfers per stage played… :W

But in the Tour de France, you have 198 riders from 22 teams to choose from… :W

From my splendid research, which did not include the 2014 Roma Maxima, too lazy that I am, I think there were 691 different riders, from 45 different teams, to choose from in 11 of the 12 races we had last year …

If we look at the transfer to available rider ratio from the Tour, we could set an equivalent ratio of 0.21 transfers per available rider… For the Classics that would mean, keeping the same ratio as the Tour, that we should get 147 transfers… 😕

If we look at the transfer to team ratio from the Tour, we could set an equivalent ratio of 1.91 transfers per team… For the Classics that would mean, keeping the same ratio as the Tour, that we should get 86 transfers… 😕

Dave is proposing 3 transfers between races, plus 6 to cover the transition to the Ardennes, a total of 39 transfers… 😕

I’m proposing 4 transfers between races, plus 8 or 9, depending on team size, to cover the transition to the Ardennes, a total of 52 transfers… 😕

My motivation centers around the fact that Strade Bianche comes in only 2 race days after the first Classics, the number of riders that only did only 1 race last year race was incredible (231!), the number of 3.0 riders from different teams that will be rotating through rosters is inmense!, and the fact I demonstrated above that practically no rider who specializes in the Ardennes, except. Mr. Gilbert, of course, and who knows, maybe Valverde? :?… will score in the first half of the Spring Classics, well that makes it a pretty difficult competittion! :W

It’d just be fun to cover all the races – with some kind of ease – and all that planning that others crave for can be obtained in the Purist game… And! budgets seem to be tight at 140!:W Can’t we ease things a little with transfers then?… :W

At any rate, apart from the transfer issue, will we do the same 12 races again this year? Was Roma Maxima cancelled?… And what races should we expect if not the 12 above?…