Strange marks on Carbon Frame Canon Ultimate CF 8.0 2014

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    OlivierV

    Hello !

    I’ve just received the new bike I’ve ordered weeks ago at Canyon.
    Out of the box, the top tube is presenting strange marks like the painting was too thin to hide the below carbon layouts.

    After sending the pictures to Canyon, they said it was “normal” but I found it strange since I haven’t noticed such marks on some Specialized ou Cannondale bikes I have seen in shops. Even with black mate painting.

    I have 30 days to return the bike but before I do that, I’d like to know your opinion about these marks ? And if you have ever received a bike in such a state ? Would you recommend to send the bike back ?

    I’ve attached some pictures.

    Thank you.

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  • #816029
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    part_robot

    CriD is correct; I spoke to

    CriD is correct; I spoke to Canyon engineers about it.

    #816027
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    CriD
    lukas1 wrote:
    thanks guys for warm reply,  I have possibilty to return 30 days, but if mostly all blak matt has this issue, only diffrent color is an option or be very lucky to get black mat completly without those ”marks”

    I received my Canyon Ultimate CF SL 9.0 bearing the same marks not only on top tube but also on the fork and everywhere on the frame where the Canyon logo stickers are applied.

    Apparently  Canyon does not apply painting on the black version since the carbon material is black and wish to save some hundred grams while reducing costs with painting. This fact became more obvious on the zone where seatpost enters into the frame . There it is visible the carbon texture

    So, I feel these imperfections come from the difference between the carbon layer and the layers of the stickers which are not enough wide to stay one above other and to cover the entire top tube  zone

    Wrote to the Canyon before finding this topic but I am pretty sure  the answer would be the same

    Hope it helps!   

    #816025
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    fukawitribe
    fukawitribe wrote:
    lukas1 wrote:
    thanks guys for warm reply,  I have possibilty to return 30 days, but if mostly all blak matt has this issue, only diffrent color is an option or be very lucky to get black mat completly without those ”marks”

    Is it problem ?

    Are the marks a real problem – now you know it’s not a structural issue.

    #816023
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    koontz

    Sorry to bring this thread

    Sorry to bring this thread back to life but am glad I found this thread just recieved a canyon endurace 7.0 sl cf and have some blemishes on the top of the fork, there not scratches and you can only see them if the light is shining on them at a certain angle, i chatted to canyon and they asked me to send them pictures of it, but if it is as you describe a ‘feature’ of carbon then fair enough, funny thing is I cant see any other marks on the top of the frame or anywere else just the ‘top’ of the fork.

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    lukas1
    fukawitribe wrote:
    lukas1 wrote:
    thanks guys for warm reply,  I have possibilty to return 30 days, but if mostly all blak matt has this issue, only diffrent color is an option or be very lucky to get black mat completly without those ”marks”

    Is it problem ?

     

    ?

    #816019
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    fukawitribe
    lukas1 wrote:
    thanks guys for warm reply,  I have possibilty to return 30 days, but if mostly all blak matt has this issue, only diffrent color is an option or be very lucky to get black mat completly without those ”marks”

    Is it problem ?

    #816017
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    lukas1

    thanks guys for warm reply, 

    thanks guys for warm reply,  I have possibilty to return 30 days, but if mostly all blak matt has this issue, only diffrent color is an option or be very lucky to get black mat completly without those ”marks”

    #816015
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    Griff500

    Hi lukas1, My Scott addict,

    Hi lukas1, My Scott addict, collected 4 days ago looks very similar to your pics, in fact I started a thread on this. The explanation from Scott is that on Matt frames they like to show off the quality of their carbon layup. Their matt black bikes are sprayed from the sides only, with surfaces facing up or down only receving overspray. The result is that the bits you see as a rider – top of the top tube and down tube are bare carbon, with the seam visible. Also, as these bits are subject to overspray only, each bike is different. I gather from responses that matt frames from many manufacturers are the same, and if you really want an even finish, yo need to go for a colour, or gloss finish.

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    matthewn5

    Completely normal for

    Completely normal for unidirectional carbon. Same on my Canyon AL carbon forks, and every other carbon bike that isn’t covered by paint or a decorative layer of carbon weave.

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    keef66

    My Scott CR1-SL is similarly

    My Scott CR1-SL is similarly less than perfect visually.  I just always thought that’s a small price to pay for a frameset that weighs less than the box it came in…

    #816009
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    lukas1

    Hi Guys sorry for refreshing

    Hi Guys sorry for refreshing topi but friday just recieved my Canyon Ultimate 9.0 and top tube look slike Yours too

    [URL=http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/lukas_kos1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0240_zpsbg9iot0j.jpg.html]http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/lukas_kos1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0240_zpsbg9iot0j.jpg[/URL]

     

    [URL=http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/lukas_kos1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0235_zpsl4vdy0iz.jpg.html]http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/lukas_kos1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0235_zpsl4vdy0iz.jpg[/URL]

     

    [URL=http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/lukas_kos1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0235_zpsl4vdy0iz.jpg.html]http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/lukas_kos1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0235_zpsl4vdy0iz.jpg[/URL]

     

    and canyon explanation

     

    https://www.canyon.com/en/service/supportcenter/article.html?supportcenter_articles_id=288

     

     

     

    #816007
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    tomd

    I have the same bike, with
    I have the same bike, with similar marks. I hadn’t really noticed them before your post prompted me to check. I think you’re making the right decision to keep it. It’s a beautiful bike!

    #816005
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    Scrufftie

    I don’t think Canyon can be
    I don’t think Canyon can be accused of over elaborate frame decoration. I guess that’s an area they save money; more Bauhaus than Art Deco

    #816003
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    OlivierV

    Hi guys !
    Thanks to your

    Hi guys !

    Thanks to your replies, i’ve decided to keep the bike.

    You’ve been of great help in my décision.

    Cheers !

    #816001
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    mtbtomo

    If the frame is just
    If the frame is just lacquered rather than painted black, or even sometimes a thin matt paint finish, then you will see the surface joins and weave in the carbon cloth, plus sometimes marks from the mould release agent.

    I have had such marks on a Trek Fuel Ex carbon, On-one 456 and HongFu FM66 which were all matt / raw finishes and its not a defect – that’s what carbon fibre looks like unless they put a cosmetic layer of carbon on top.

    A gloss paint finish like on my KTM, doesn’t show the carbon beneath or any of the joins.

    You could return the bike for another, but with that sort of finish would likely get one similar or possibly worse.

    Ignore the white scuffs on my Trek here, and you can see a dark line along the length of the top tube, like on yours:

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XdcDzHkrxbI/SyYkZ-B4t7I/AAAAAAAAAv4/_dihA4HuZvc/w664-h498-no/Picture%2B005c.jpg

    Also, a few marks on the FM066 (just visible along the edges of the downtube):
    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rFSJWW2elF4/VClEjlV4LCI/AAAAAAAABTc/cpPt5I3mWf0/w664-h498-no/DSC01830.JPG

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