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July 29, 2014 at 12:25 pm #22017
bamilton wackademical
Hey all. It’s my first time on the forum so be kind!
I have an embarrassing problem. No, not that one – that’s cleared up now. The problem is that I’m terrible on downhill stretches. If I’m out with a group, there’s a good chance that they’re going to be at the bottom of the hill well before I am, because I’m teetering down with my grip firmly on the brakes. It never used to be a problem when I was a kid, bombing down the steepest of slopes. Now I’m creeping up for 40 it’s become a real issue.
A particularly white knuckle descent down Sundridge Hill in Kent the other day made me think it’s something that I really need to improve on. I think part of the problem is that I don’t have enough faith in modern day brakes to bring me to a stop if I started losing control or if something ran out in front of me – but I’m also conscious that I need to improve my technique and confidence. What advice would you all offer to someone with such an affliction?
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Martyn_K
If you want to get up hills
If you want to get up hills quicker or easier, practice is required.It’s the same with decending, practice, practice, practice.
It is important though to recognise the limitations of both your bike and yourself. Its no good trying to throw your machine down hills or round corners that it will not be able to cope with. Even the best rider in the world would struggle.
Identifying and training up your own limitations is key. I have seen a few moments on roads where cyclists talent curve ended and they have carried on in blind faith. It always ends in disaster.
I am pretty confident descending but was still nervous before visiting Majorca in the spring. So i made sure in the month before hand i found descents with tight curves or switchbacks for training on (difficult in Hampshire and Berkshire).
I would echo all of the comments above.
You have to be in the right place mentally. Tune in to the environment, look far ahead, think quickly and stick to a line once decided on.
Physically, be relaxed, try to breathe easy and get in the drops.unclebadger
First off you have to enjoy
First off you have to enjoy it or else why bother. The exhilarating feeling of the wind in your hair, getting into an aerodynamic position, regulating speed by gently squeezing the brakes and keeping it all together to see how fast you can go.
Going fast in or on anything is about getting it right and testing the limit of your self/machine/environment. Inevitably when the limit is reached one either needs to slow down or risk crashing.No one in their right mind would advocate belting down a stretch of road at full tilt that you’ve never been down before. There could be nasty surprises – gravely corners, wet patches, unexpected bends, Random Badgers crossing but when you get to know a stretch you will learn when you can put the power down and when to back off. Build up to it and then it will be much more enjoyable.
Sadly I don’t think one can expect to regularly a bike without the occasional crash. I used to ride a lot more off road and one of the best bits of advice I’ve ever read (in MBUK in about 1990 probably) is that when you feel that you are going to crash RELAX your booty. This might sound stupid but it has really worked for me. You are much more likely to break something if you are all tense at that moment when you’ve passed the wobbly-tummy-feeling point of no return.
Respect other road users, check your bike’s mechanics, wear a helmet and have a laugh. The only way to sensibly test the limits is to keep practising. But if you don’t enjoy it sack it off, there’s loads of stuff to do in the world so why do something you don’t like.
Hope that helps 🙂
FatAndFurious
Chris James wrote: Look at
Chris James wrote:Look at the exit of the corner, rather than the apex.+1 on that. It’s a confidence thing that just lets you realise that you’ve already scrubbed enough speed off to be able to safely get around the rest of the corner.
I also found it works on velodrome banking by letting you realise the track ahead is the same height as you, and you won’t be getting be funnelled down to the bottom.
bamilton wackademical
Joeinpoole wrote:
That’sJoeinpoole wrote:
That’s excellent advice. It sounds like the OP may be fairly new to being back on a bike. Skills, experience and therefore confidence increase *hugely* the more hours you spend on a bike. It will just build naturally.This is true to an extent – I’m quite new to road cycling. I’ve got cycling in city traffic nailed, which was my main aim. Now I just need to get used to the 20-25%s on long rides. I’m cycling over The Lecht in the Cairngorms in a couple of weeks so I’ll probably have some nice crosswinds to throw into the equation there too. The joys. Thankfully, at least there I can see traffic about a mile ahead.
S13SFC
I love going fast and I’m
I love going fast and I’m fast downhill but ride, in my mind 200m up the road so I’m scanning for trouble in advance of my arrival.If it’s a new route we are riding I often view it on google streetview so I know what to expect and practice my handling skills on downhills that I know on a regular basis and never take them for granted.
I have faith in my own abilities but lack faith in the ability of car drivers when they decide to overtake and then bang the anchors on to turn left right in front of me.
Joeinpoole
Must be Mad wrote:The
Must be Mad wrote:The important thing is to go at the speed you are confident and happy with, and let the others race themselves to A&E if they wish.That said if you want to improve your descending, then keep practicing them , and let your confidence build naturally – try to find some straight descents, and get used to handling the bike at higher speeds.
one of the key skill for descending for me is remembering to look further down the road, and see obsticals when they are further away.
That’s excellent advice. It sounds like the OP may be fairly new to being back on a bike. Skills, experience and therefore confidence increase *hugely* the more hours you spend on a bike. It will just build naturally.
Caution always trumps recklessness anyway. Do not be tempted to take risks that you are not comfortable with. Basic physics … the faster you go the less time you will have to react when something unexpected happens and the greater the impact forces will be. Speed really does kill.
One of my main concerns when descending is cars emerging from side roads (or turning right, across my path, into one). It seems to me that many motorists simply have no concept of a cyclist approaching at 40mph+ and assume it is safe for them to proceed.
The other issue that can catch you out is a car turning left on to your road, say 200-300 yards in front of you. You maintain your speed in the assumption that it will accelerate away … when suddenly the brake lights come on … and it indicates right (late if at all) … because it is turning into another side road. I hate staggered junctions at the bottom of a hill!
bikebot
I’ve always been quite happy
I’ve always been quite happy to let someone else find a pothole before me.bashthebox
I’m not a great descender
I’m not a great descender either. Around this time of year I finally overcome the fear brought on by the terrible winter roads though, and descend with joy. Hope that lasts until my alpine visit in a month.My advice – relax. It’s really hard, but you have to hold the drops lightly. Any tighter and your bike reacts like a twitching beast.
bamilton wackademical
Thanks guys – all useful
Thanks guys – all useful comments. On the few hills on the way to and from work I’ve been practicing getting on the drops and using the brakes as little as possible. It sounds daft, but I’ve always been more comfortable descending with my hands on the top of the bars so I rarely get on the drops. I felt a lot more in control of the bike and the brakes as a result. With a bit of time I’m sure I’ll build up the confidence. I’m still not out to break any records though!Hensteeth wrote:I changed the stock wheels (alexrims) on my bike to shimano r501’s (not the best wheels by a long way!) and the braking effect increased dramatically with the same brakes and blocks. Obviously just a much better braking surface. This of course gives you confidence to lay off the brakes until you need them and you know how quickly you can slow down.I’ve got Alexrims on my Genesis, which is the bike I’ve had the problem with. I’m planning on changing the blocks before looking at the wheels though. I’ve had Swissstop and Koolstop recommended to me. I’ll let you know how I get on.
Hensteeth
I changed the stock wheels
I changed the stock wheels (alexrims) on my bike to shimano r501’s (not the best wheels by a long way!) and the braking effect increased dramatically with the same brakes and blocks. Obviously just a much better braking surface. This of course gives you confidence to lay off the brakes until you need them and you know how quickly you can slow down.Must be Mad
The important thing is to go
The important thing is to go at the speed you are confident and happy with, and let the others race themselves to A&E if they wish.That said if you want to improve your descending, then keep practicing them , and let your confidence build naturally – try to find some straight descents, and get used to handling the bike at higher speeds.
one of the key skill for descending for me is remembering to look further down the road, and see obsticals when they are further away.
CapriciousZephyr
Here’s a page that has a very
Here’s a page that has a very detailed discussion of descending technique, which I’ve found very helpful. I particularly like the emphasis on observation and thinking all the time – it’s much more than just a physical skill:
http://www.flammerouge.je/factsheets/descend.htmIt sounds like you may be nervous about speed as much as cornering. If you can find suitable roads or paths near you, you may be able to get practice at both of these aspects separately. For example, here in Edinburgh, the road going round Arthur’s Seat towards Holyrood Palace is a long gentle descent without any sharp bends that’s often almost traffic-free. It’s not at all steep, but long enough that you can build up a pretty high speed. It then flattens out for quite a bit before a little roundabout, so it’s ideal for practising braking from speed. Conversely, across the city, one of the cycling/walking paths ends with a little access path that’s a few tight switchbacks down to road level. (It’s fun to imagine for 30 seconds that you’re going down Alpe d’Huez or similar. 😉 ) OK, it’s much narrower than a road and you have to go very slowly, but that’s sort-of the point; you can focus on cornering techniques without worrying about getting run over or tumbling down a mountainside if you get it wrong. If you can find similar stretches near to you, you may be able to practise in a safer environment to build a bit more confidence before putting it all together on your usual descents.
vorsprung
Colin Peyresourde covers the
Colin Peyresourde covers the technical aspects above well enough
There are other things like how you shift your weight around that really helpI am not a super fast descender but a key realisation is that it is often safer not to brake
In the dry, modern tyres have incredible traction. You can lean right over and be just fine. Don’t try this on gravel / dirty wet roads though!
mrmo
I am a crap descender, I am
I am a crap descender, I am getting better but still crap.Only advice, first if you have any queries about a component you will worry about it and begin to focus on what may go wrong.
Second practice, it takes time but just get used to riding downhill, never push too far, crashing is not good if you have confidence issues to begin with.
Try and think what concerns you? I find roads with junctions more of an issue than open roads, it is the what is round the corner issue.
Other things, your build, I am guessing light riders can get blown around more passing farm gates ( I am guessing because I am not a heavy rider and never have been), I have only been blown off once on the mtb. ( I am quite tall and light)
notfastenough
Jimmy’s point about
Jimmy’s point about confidence in your kit is key. I used to get the wobbles at about 38-40mph on my old bike, this was possibly from my own slightly nervous disposition for descending. When I upgraded I deliberately went for something that was known to be stable on descents (Trek Madone). A few weeks later the club run took an unusual turn and hit a descent I’d never seen. It was straight, but quite steep, and the surface wasn’t great. I started to brake, but the handling was going funny because of the gradient and surface, so I reminded myself of the bikes capacity for speed, came off the brakes, the bike stabilised, I relaxed, got in the drops and remembered to breathe(!) – and came out the other side at 50mph.Why not upgrade your brakes?
Just make sure you can distinguish between learning the skill to descent safely/reasonably quickly, and not being stupid enough to outrun your ability, and you’ll be fine!
The pro coaching session sounds awesome though, I could make use of that! Pity I’m up in Manchester.
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