Volta Ciclista a Catalunya

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    STEVESPRO 79

    This is always my favourite
    This is always my favourite race of the year…I suppose its because that I know the area so well and the terrain makes for good racing, with plenty of average Spanish pros digging just that little deeper..
    Tough stages to call, and selections will be as varied as can be….
    Just hope I get 9 riders to the start….this season already had 3 fall off before race starts…
    Let my season nightmare continue…. 🙂

    #781461
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    drheaton

    Picked my teams, I don’t know
    Picked my teams, I don’t know what everyone’s complaining about with the budget, I’ve got credits left over 😀

    Also, there are just too many riders under 15 credits that I want to pick, I’d happily pick 12 riders on budget. There is LOADS of great value at the bottom end of the price range 🙂

    #781459
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    TERatcliffe26

    Ive gambled with Ratto for
    Ive gambled with Ratto for stage 1/2, but just gone all climbing for purist.

    Think Moreno will win one of the first two stages

    #781457
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    Dux89

    First two stages are tough to
    First two stages are tough to call, those damn late climbs. Seems like Mezgec is either gonna be in the top 5 or he’s not going to score at all, which makes this a gamble.

    #781455
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    ray silvester

    Joelsim wrote:Well here is my

    Joelsim wrote:
    Well here is my Purist. Not decided on the standard team yet.

    Riccardo Zoidl (TFR)
    Nairo Alexander Quintana (MOV)
    Alberto Contador (TSB)
    Carlos Alberto Betancur (ALM)
    Adam Yates (OGE)
    Mikel Landa (AST)
    Julian David Arredondo (TFR)
    Nathan Earle (SKY)
    Jurgen Van Den Broeck (LTB)

    I can’t have a purist in Catalunya without LuLu or Choo-Choo!!

    #781453
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    simon F

    Rafal Majka (Tinkoff-Saxo) is
    Rafal Majka (Tinkoff-Saxo) is out, replaced by Jesper Hansen

    #781451
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    Dux89

    Too bad Julian Arredondo
    Too bad Julian Arredondo isn’t 3 points anymore :/ That made one decision so easy!

    #781449
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    Twybaydos

    Budgets are working well, the
    Budgets are working well, the only one which was a problem in my mind was Tirreno. Not so much that the 140 budget was unmanageable but there was no-one worth picking in the 5-15 range. This forced me to pick 5 expensive riders and 4 3.0 riders. Then my expensive riders didn’t perform, but that’s another story.

    This doesn’t seem to be a problem with Catalunya, I’ve seen some gems in there.

    #781447
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    Stumps

    drheaton wrote:enrique

    drheaton wrote:
    enrique wrote:
    Man, why don’t we go back to 150 for all races, please? 😀 And do the Tour at 175? 😀 I hate using so many 3.0 riders, 4 or 5, just to make sure I get the riders who I think will get me the most points on any given stage! It sucks! Granted, it forces people to choose different riders but, crap, it’s not that much fun to just choose 4 or 5 stars and then 4 or or 5 3.0 riders… Or can you redistribute the rider values, please? :D

    More more more more more, that’s all you ever seem to want enrique

    Last year everyone complained that some races were too easy, that when a start list was bereft of top level talent the budget was too generous so we changed it and added in varying budgets to take into account the varying quality of the field.

    Then everyone complained that the tour was too hard because you had to pick too many 3 credit riders so the basis for calculating rider values was changed to drop values quicker when a rider stops scoring and generally reduce values a bit.

    Now after all those changes you want to increase the budgets back up and scrap the value system again? No. The game works well, part of the challenge of picking a team has ALWAYS been about balancing your high price and low price riders and making the most of your budget. The game has NEVER been about just being able to pick the best 9 riders. It is not fun for everyone to pick the same 9 stars and all get the same points. The whole point of a budget is to impose restrictions and force you to make decisions about who you want and the best way to spend the credits you have. Just arbitrarily increasing the budget because you want things to be easier for you is not going to happen. Dave has already said that the budget for the Tour may go above 150 but the budget is dependant wholly on the quality of the riders taking part, if its a strong field it’ll be a higher budget, if its a relatively weak field it’ll be a lower budget but that decision won’t be made until the race is opened so stop asking for the budget to be set at 175 right now.

    Anyway, nobody is forcing you to pick four 3 credit riders, if you’re choosing to use 138 credits on five riders that’s your choice. You could pick 3 high value riders and more mid priced riders, you could pick everyone at 16 credits, you have options.

    The game is working very very well in my opinion. Its hard to constantly pick a very good team due to the budgets and this adds to the value and the excitement of the game itself. I think i would pack it in if it became to easy and ultimately boring.

    #781445
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    Joelsim

    Well here is my Purist. Not
    Well here is my Purist. Not decided on the standard team yet.

    Riccardo Zoidl (TFR)
    Nairo Alexander Quintana (MOV)
    Alberto Contador (TSB)
    Carlos Alberto Betancur (ALM)
    Adam Yates (OGE)
    Mikel Landa (AST)
    Julian David Arredondo (TFR)
    Nathan Earle (SKY)
    Jurgen Van Den Broeck (LTB)

    #781443
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    TERatcliffe26

    PCS is good the day before a
    PCS is good the day before a race when changes happen last minute, but i normally check on the teams twitter/website, or even cyclingnews, news articles, to verify anyway.

    #781441
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    Joelsim

    I agree with this. No fun at
    I agree with this. No fun at all if everyone has the same riders.

    #781439
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    drheaton

    enrique wrote:Man, why don’t

    enrique wrote:
    Man, why don’t we go back to 150 for all races, please? 😀 And do the Tour at 175? 😀 I hate using so many 3.0 riders, 4 or 5, just to make sure I get the riders who I think will get me the most points on any given stage! It sucks! Granted, it forces people to choose different riders but, crap, it’s not that much fun to just choose 4 or 5 stars and then 4 or or 5 3.0 riders… Or can you redistribute the rider values, please? :D

    More more more more more, that’s all you ever seem to want enrique

    Last year everyone complained that some races were too easy, that when a start list was bereft of top level talent the budget was too generous so we changed it and added in varying budgets to take into account the varying quality of the field.

    Then everyone complained that the tour was too hard because you had to pick too many 3 credit riders so the basis for calculating rider values was changed to drop values quicker when a rider stops scoring and generally reduce values a bit.

    Now after all those changes you want to increase the budgets back up and scrap the value system again? No. The game works well, part of the challenge of picking a team has ALWAYS been about balancing your high price and low price riders and making the most of your budget. The game has NEVER been about just being able to pick the best 9 riders. It is not fun for everyone to pick the same 9 stars and all get the same points. The whole point of a budget is to impose restrictions and force you to make decisions about who you want and the best way to spend the credits you have. Just arbitrarily increasing the budget because you want things to be easier for you is not going to happen. Dave has already said that the budget for the Tour may go above 150 but the budget is dependant wholly on the quality of the riders taking part, if its a strong field it’ll be a higher budget, if its a relatively weak field it’ll be a lower budget but that decision won’t be made until the race is opened so stop asking for the budget to be set at 175 right now.

    Anyway, nobody is forcing you to pick four 3 credit riders, if you’re choosing to use 138 credits on five riders that’s your choice. You could pick 3 high value riders and more mid priced riders, you could pick everyone at 16 credits, you have options.

    #781437
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    chrisdstripes

    Gkam84 wrote:They are

    Gkam84 wrote:
    They are seriously not that good. I won’t touch them, they also are just rehashing results from the UCI site, they didn’t even have womens startlists.

    My point wasn’t really about PCS – I was pointing out that contrary to what you said, the official race website had published a startlist. Don’t let Enrique rule the airwaves – others of us actually have pertinent points to make and its easy to avoid responding to them by engaging Enrique in some bullshit argument instead.

    #781435
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    enrique

    Were they the ones you were
    Were they the ones you were referring to when you wrote:

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I think its better to stick to World Tour races, as “certain” website’s that helped us seem to want to make money now and are not interested in linking up… Although, they just recycle and publish publicly available information. They seem to think someone (team’s) should pay for it.

    in the Suggestions/Requests for the 2014 season thread?

    By the way, how’s this coming along?

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I am thinking about setting up a site… as part of [the R]oadcc game or on my own, to include historical race data

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