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A good piece in the Grauniad….

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/aug/08/cycling-growth-uk-risk-left-behind-europe-experts?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1659958084

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[Rich_cb]

Silence is deafening and all
Silence is deafening and all that.

[hawkinspeter]

Rich_cb wrote:
[quote=Rich_cb]Has that report ever seen the light of day?

Guido Fawkes asked about it multiple times but AFAIK it still hasn’t?

https://order-order.com/2021/05/06/exclusive-scott-trust-commissioned-report-into-slavery-links-covered-up-by-guardian/%5B/quote%5D
Can’t find it from a quick search. I’d’ve thought they should have released something by now, especially if there’s no evidence of direct involvement with slavery.

[Rich_cb]

Has that report ever seen the
Has that report ever seen the light of day?

Guido Fawkes asked about it multiple times but AFAIK it still hasn’t?

EXCLUSIVE: Scott Trust Commissioned Report into Slavery Links Covered Up By Guardian

[hawkinspeter]

marmotte27 wrote:

For a while now I have been proposing the definition of rightwing as  someone who favours economical or financial interests over the safekeeping of the basis for life on earth.

That’s just capitalism, though, not necessarily right-wing although they usually go together. Of course, the far left is typically anti-capitalist.

As I understand it, the right-wing traditionally promotes having different classes amongst society, often with different rules applied to those classes (e.g. a punishment that is fine-based effectively doesn’t exist for the monied classes).

[hawkinspeter]

Also, there’s this report

Also, there’s this report into slavery and the Scott Trust: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jul/17/scott-trust-commissions-research-into-guardian-founders-possible-links-to-slave-trade

Independent researchers have been commissioned by the Scott Trust, which owns the Guardian, to look into any historical connections the newspaper may have had to the slave trade.

The review will research any links between transatlantic slavery and John Edward Taylor, the journalist who founded the Manchester Guardian in 1821, as well as with his associates, their investments and business activities.

“We have seen no evidence that Taylor was a slave owner, nor involved in any direct way in the slave trade,” the chairman of the Scott Trust, Alex Graham, said in an email to staff on Friday.

“But were such evidence to exist, we would want to be open about it. In any event, we must acknowledge that as cotton and textile merchants, some of Taylor and his funders’ family businesses would almost certainly have traded with cotton plantations that used enslaved labour.”

And for some balance where The Gnarduia got it wrong: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/may/06/guardian-200-from-slavery-to-blm-the-ups-and-downs-of-200-years-of-guardian-race-reporting

Unsurprisingly for a 200-year-old institution, the Guardian has not always got it right in terms of race coverage. An early article from 1823 regretted the “cruelty and injustice of negro slavery”, but also noted that “amongst all the obvious disadvantages of slave labour, there is none more striking than its tendency to deteriorate the soil”. That set the tone for decades of coverage that often failed to empathise: during the US civil war, the Manchester Guardian was so concerned about the cotton trade that underpinned it that it sided with the slave-owning south.

The arrival in the UK of Yemeni seamen after the first world war is marked mainly through the “indignation” felt by dock workers at increased competition for work. Race riots in south Wales in 1919 run under headlines such as “Serious racial riots at Cardiff: Three whites killed. Negroes attack with razors”. (In fact, four were killed, including the Arab seaman Mohammed Abdullah.) Remarkably, 40 years later, headlines about Notting Hill riots similarly focused on the antics of immigrant rioters, and not the more sinister angle of provocative white mobs, though one important article acknowledged the racism faced by Caribbean migrants.

However, Rich_cb is correct that The Gidunara is considered left or at least centre-left and I believe it was always intended to be a left-leaning publication.

[Rendel Harris]

Rich_cb wrote:

[quote=Rich_cb] *Edit. More detail here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/oct/16/blackhistorymonth-humantrafficking%5B/quote%5D

Great source, a letter in the newspaper from someone of no apparent academic standing. Contains the phrase: “Among Lincoln’s acts so abhorrent to the Guardian was the Proclamation of Emancipation (January 1 1863).”  Unfortunately it omits the information that the reason The Guardian criticised Lincoln for the Proclamation of Emancipation was because it only emancipated slaves in the states in rebellion, leaving approximately 500,000 of America’s four million slaves still in chains. You must have had to search pretty hard to find a source that disguises the truth like that, kudos for effort if not for honesty.

[hawkinspeter]

Rich_cb wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

You might want to look at the environmental costs of communism. Under your system the USSR would have been very right wing.

This is another argument against using left/right to categorise political viewpoints. To my mind, the biggest problems with the USSR was authoritarianism and the lack of freedom to criticise the Party.

If our current civilisation is to survive (c.f. fall of Rome) then we’re going to have to come up with other paradigms. Personally, I’d like to see politics modelled on open-source software where individuals are free to contribute and meritocracy is the overriding principle e.g. poorly run projects can be simply forked and then people decide which one becomes more popular – usually the better run ones. I’m not really sure how those principles can be used to run societies though.

[Rich_cb]

You might want to look at the
You might want to look at the environmental costs of communism.

Under your system the USSR would have been very right wing.

[Rich_cb]

The Guardian isn’t considered
The Guardian isn’t considered centrist.

It’s widely known as a left wing paper. Our squirrelly friend posted a good analysis elsewhere in the thread.

The Scott Trust, which was set up to avoid tax, has some rather complex off shore tax arrangements.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/may/03/1

The Scott Trust’s money initially came from the cotton trade which led the, then, Manchester Guardian, to support the Confederacy and oppose Lincoln.*

Over a billion in slavery linked profits funnelled through a series of companies in tax havens to fund a paper dedicated to human rights and tax transparency.

It’s still one of the better UK papers though.

*Edit. More detail here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/oct/16/blackhistorymonth-humantrafficking

[Anonymous]

For a while now I have been

For a while now I have been proposing the definition of rightwing as  someone who favours economical or financial interests over the safekeeping of the basis for life on earth.

[NOtotheEU]

chrisonatrike wrote:

chrisonatrike wrote:

Only if you find yourself itching to burn the survey and shoot the authors.

My megalomania hasn’t quite gone that far yet but since doing the test I am feeling oddly drawn to a nice Hugo Boss uniform.

[chrisonabike]

Only if you find yourself
Only if you find yourself itching to burn the survey and shoot the authors.

[chrisonabike]

Whoa man! No need to get,
Whoa man! No need to get, like, all bald about it…

[Rich_cb]

Hippy.
Hippy.

[NOtotheEU]

hawkinspeter wrote:

NOtotheEU wrote:

Right, you’re the first name on my list! When I’m in charge . . . . . .

Okay, then you’ll be the first name on my list for ensuring that your basic human needs are satisfied without infringing your human rights or suffering indignity*.

*there may be some seizure of capital though

Oh dear, I feel you may have slightly more appealing policies than my “I’m in charge now, like it or lump it!”. I’ll just have to rely on the voting public being stupid and doing whatever they are told. Now, where can I buy a media company?. 

[Author]

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