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are there any ethical questions to do with cycling? i dont mean road etiquette. i mean things like a bike's provenance etc. you seem quite happy to reproduce soft porn images to illustrate your articles on the porn peddlars for example.  when one considers the catastrophic effects of porn on society at large does a little charity work really offset that?

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PRSboy [566 posts] 4 months ago
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Yes plenty.  From the conditions in the factories that make the frames and materials, to the transport etc.  Carbon doesn't sit well environmentally, but steel doesn't grow on trees either.

Not to mention the entourage that follows a pro race.  And the involvement of Ineos has triggered some interesting discussions.

The Porn Pedlars is an interesting one... the outrage that the E3 Harelbeke generated from its recent picture/video, yet its OK for people to objectify themselves.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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it might be ok to objectify yrself behind closed curtains but as soon as other peoples sexuality intrudes on the lives of children and the non consenting adult public it's a problem.

i cd be wrong but ive seen 3 reports on this site about the porn peddlers and all have been accompanied by a soft porn photo which, when seen as a trend, looks very much like porn endorsement / enthusiasm / amusement on the part of road.cc editors. porn is a social catastrophe.

as a maths exercise i once calculated the number of plastic bottles thrown into the french countryside by riders in the tour de france over 30 days. it was a large number. 

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Luca Patrono [51 posts] 4 months ago
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It seems clear that this post is not about cycling ethics in general, but is an anti-pornography complaint.

If you think road.cc illustrating an article on adult workers with a tame image is a problem, then I struggle to understand your logic. road.cc does not plaster gratituous sexual imagery over its website or articles. The images are contextual, if a little crass, and I can see why those who work in the industry are happy to do such things. Working in pornography causes various relationship difficulties, is looked down upon by certain members of society (many of whom consume it behind closed doors) and because of the taboo surrounding it, receives no support from government in dealing with the rampant piracy which makes it very difficult for models and producers - who are performing legitimate work - to sustain themselves, and drives prices up, perpetuating the problem. Those people have no reason to care about what you think, because this hypocrisy is well-known.

I think your moral outrage would be better directed elsewhere. With the ease of finding sexualized imagery online in locations which are far, far more likely than road.cc to experience traffic from those who are too young to be subjected to it - such as in music videos - I don't feel this is the right place for it.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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moral outrage? no. i see social horror as a result of porn. i'm complaining about the editorial policy of a cycling magazine. that's to do with cycling isnt it? thanks for the right-on liberal take on sexuality and the workplace. and what hypocrisy wd that be?

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Luca Patrono [51 posts] 4 months ago
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I'm a loony liberal because I don't agree with your narrow-minded outrage and decision to complain about road.cc contextually illustrating an article rather than doing something that's actually _useful_ to advance your views?

Interesting take.

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ridiculouscyclist [27 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

as a maths exercise i once calculated the number of plastic bottles thrown into the french countryside by riders in the tour de france over 30 days. it was a large number. 

 

Lovely exercise, but it's based on the premise that the organisers & marshalls & team workers don't make arrangements to sweep these  up after the riders have been through . . . so have you factored that into your equation?

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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why do you think i'm narrow minded? i'm broad minded enough to have embraced a deeply unpopular point of view afterall. you elide my point about context. i'll repeat it. 4 articles, 3 soft porn shots and a woman on a bike. after the 1st porn photo as information it becomes gratuitous. and culturally acquiescent. if you like and use porn dont compel others to consume it just by reading about bikes.

 

i changed loony to right-on because i no longer thought loony was an appropriate description. you didnt take that on board.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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why do you think i'm narrow minded? i'm broad minded enough to have embraced a deeply unpopular point of view afterall. you elide my point about context. i'll repeat it. 4 articles, 3 soft porn shots and a woman on a bike. after the 1st porn photo as information it becomes gratuitous. and culturally acquiescent. if you like and use porn dont compel others to consume it just by reading about bikes.

 

i changed loony to right-on because i no longer thought loony was an appropriate description. you didnt take that on board.

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ktache [2136 posts] 4 months ago
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This gentleman enlivened the first week of my early watchings of the TdF, this is not porn either, but there is a lot more flesh on display.

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Luca Patrono [51 posts] 4 months ago
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Holding an unpopular point of view is not necessarily broad minded. Sometimes a point of view is unpopular and fringe because it is held by people who are exceptionally narrow minded, and as such, the majority of well adjusted people do not agree with it.

I think you missed my point as well. You hold an opinion on porn, a moral one, that it creates "social horror". This almost always goes back to conservative moral standards based on controlling the behaviour of other people to satisfy the holder's moral outrage. There is very little substance to it - porn can create addiction, as can video games. Neither are social horrors. An example of a social horror is the Tory party war on the disabled via benefit sanctions and reductions.

What I am trying to get across is that neither you nor I have the right to control legitimate and legal freedom of expression based on our moral outrage. You don't like seeing adult workers illustrated in a provocative way in an article of which they are the subject? It's too bad. I see things I don't like. And I don't try to force everyone else not to see them either.

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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force? how wd i try to do that on a forum?

 

knowing my attitude the female poster is indulging in a kind of visual assault.

 

it may take you many years to get out of the porn sewer. you'll be laughing most of that time, staring transfixed into snake eyes the rest.  you may never get out. 

 

end of discussion

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brooksby [5039 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

knowing my attitude the female poster is indulging in a kind of visual assault.

"the female poster"?  Do sheets of paper have a gender?  Or do you mean ktache's picture? (that would be ktache whose signature pic has a beard )

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ridiculouscyclist [27 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

force? how wd i try to do that on a forum?

knowing my attitude the female poster is indulging in a kind of visual assault.

it may take you many years to get out of the porn sewer. you'll be laughing most of that time, staring transfixed into snake eyes the rest.  you may never get out. 

end of discussion

Jeez, you're an odd one.

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Mungecrundle [1568 posts] 4 months ago
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Won't somebody think of the children!?

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Zigster [33 posts] 4 months ago
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I remember an article or two on road.cc about the Porn Peddlars.

I'm struggling to see your problem - it was a reasonable article for an online cycling magazine to run (that their club had had its BC membership revoked).  There wasn't an excess of gratuitous pictures that one might unintentionally come across and if you didn't like the text then you didn't have to read it.

In your view, would it have been reasonable for any newspaper or magazine to run with the story?  Or is it better that news you don't want to read just isn't reported at all?

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redrobot [24 posts] 4 months ago
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ridiculouscyclist wrote:

Lovely exercise, but it's based on the premise that the organisers & marshalls & team workers don't make arrangements to sweep these  up after the riders have been through . . . so have you factored that into your equation?

 

no, i didnt. i saw at least one bottle going over a tall hedge. one bottle too many. they shd be made to carry waste pouches.

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BehindTheBikesheds [3322 posts] 4 months ago
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What is 'soft' porn exactly?

So you wish to suppress the free will of some people who are not asking you to join in, not asking you to look/watch, not asking for any money from you, not breaking any laws, have I got that right?

I see far more offensive things on the high street, I see more harm being done by people who don't give a stuff about other human beings, I see more harm from inept government and police. But you've got a beef with some people who indulge/sell something that most adults get involved in behind (and sometimes not behind) their own doors.

This isn't the Victorian era, don't look, don't let your kids have access, problem solved.

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hawkinspeter [4096 posts] 4 months ago
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BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

What is 'soft' porn exactly?

Not as much fun?

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brooksby [5039 posts] 4 months ago
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BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

What is 'soft' porn exactly?

Is it porn thats just really very tired, and would just like to cuddle instead? 

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Pilot Pete [231 posts] 4 months ago
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maybe your green crusade would be better directed at the Chinese government? https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-c...

And as for your niche view about porn being a social catastrophe, I’m not sure I see evidence to back that up. I am sat in a very public coffee shop and have been for the last hour or two and I haven’t seen anything really catastrophic either in here or outside that makes me think I agree with your viewpoint.

Or do you think that teenage girls wearing too short skirts for school is evidence? Because they were doing that well before the porn industry grew big - it’s just that ‘moral outrage’ on the part of teachers, churches etc had a stronger hold over society back then. However, we’ve all seen where the churches moral outrage should have been directed - in over at the behaviour of those in the positions of control and influence.

Oh and by the way, I’m not advocating porn, I’m just not as outraged as you at the news article about a cycling club which had been refused BC membership. I think you are seeing things to be outraged at to fit your viewpoint.

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hawkinspeter [4096 posts] 4 months ago
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brooksby wrote:
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

What is 'soft' porn exactly?

Is it porn thats just really very tired, and would just like to cuddle instead? 

Ryan Creamer?

 

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OldRidgeback [3227 posts] 4 months ago
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I do wonder if this person was making all these posts as part of a school project.

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brooksby [5039 posts] 4 months ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:

I do wonder if this person was making all these posts as part of a school project.

What: "101 ways to p!$$ off the grown-ups"?

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OldRidgeback [3227 posts] 4 months ago
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brooksby wrote:
OldRidgeback wrote:

I do wonder if this person was making all these posts as part of a school project.

What: "101 ways to p!$$ off the grown-ups"?

Yep, trolling while pretending not to.

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FluffyKittenofT... [2739 posts] 4 months ago
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redrobot wrote:

as a maths exercise i once calculated the number of plastic bottles thrown into the french countryside by riders in the tour de france over 30 days. it was a large number. 

 

One reason why I'm not keen on major, competitive sporting events in general.  Though I don't believe the Tour De France is anywhere near one of the bigger offenders.  But the fact that it's often an environmental catastrophe is one reason why if it were up to me I'd scrap the Olympics.  Glad you agree.  Now there's two of us in the 'end the Olympics, now!' movement.

 

The (football) World Cup can go as well.  I really don't care about the Tour, but if that has to go as well, in order to end the festival of corruption, nationalism, fake-amateurism and misplaced priorities that are the Olympics and international Soccer, I'm OK with that.  Down with all high-stakes, sham-amateur, competitive sport!  Stop encouraging unnecessary competitiveness over things that don't really matter!

 

Or is it only cycling you have an undisclosed agenda about?  Can we all throw in our pet causes, even if they are eccentric-ideological rather than being down to some weird personal gripe (you're a petrol-head who got banned and is pathetically upset about it, aren't you?)

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FluffyKittenofT... [2739 posts] 4 months ago
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Also, I prefer cycling Suthics.  It's easer to get to.

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hirsute [1123 posts] 4 months ago
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Why can't you write proper sentences with capitals and spacing?
Does your algorithm need updating ?

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OldRidgeback [3227 posts] 4 months ago
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Well I suppose we could look on the bright side. Redrobot aside, we've all agreed that we all like the RoadCC website, and all for pretty much the same set of reasons.

There's been no squabbling about helmets and no squabbling about who has the most experience on two wheels.

Take this as a positive result.

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don simon fbpe [2997 posts] 4 months ago
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by redrobot June 11 2019
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are there any ethical questions to do with cycling? i dont mean road etiquette. i mean things like a bike's provenance etc. you seem quite happy to reproduce soft porn images to illustrate your articles on the porn peddlars for example.  when one considers the catastrophic effects of porn on society at large does a little charity work really offset that?

I agree, too many tits around here.

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ConcordeCX [1178 posts] 4 months ago
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FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Also, I prefer cycling Suthics.  It's easer to get to.

 

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