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Thought i’d try an early post for some pre race thoughts...so i’ll Start..

https://www.cyclingstage.com/giro-2019-route/

Loving the last stage....for some of us  old timers it’s like Laurent Fignon all over again. Do we approve?..or do we like the procession and sprint?

 

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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I like there being something to fight for on the last stage, but with how brutal it is from stage 13 onwards, I can't see many sprinters staying. Unless they're guaranteed the points jersey. I'd like there to be an incentive for everyone to stay until the end.

The route as a whole is awesome. I wonder if there's enough to entice some breakaway wins, because we've been lacking many of those for a while.

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jollygoodvelo [1827 posts] 2 months ago
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I quite like the showpiece city centre stage finishing a GT, but I think yet again hardly any sprinters will finish.  I don't really see why they don't make the time limits more generous on the big mountain stages.

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

I like there being something to fight for on the last stage, but with how brutal it is from stage 13 onwards, I can't see many sprinters staying. Unless they're guaranteed the points jersey. I'd like there to be an incentive for everyone to stay until the end.

The route as a whole is awesome. I wonder if there's enough to entice some breakaway wins, because we've been lacking many of those for a while.

That’s a good point about the sprinters. Nonetheless a finale of a TT can be really exciting. I suppose the race would have to be quite strategically set up for it...maybe a TT as second to last stage is better.

 

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stevemarks [614 posts] 2 months ago
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Valverde out of the Giro!

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stevemarks [614 posts] 2 months ago
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Valverde out of the Giro!

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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stevemarks wrote:

Valverde out of the Giro!

That's a shame...any reason why?....Have they announced their team?

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Sniffer [640 posts] 2 months ago
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Dr Winston wrote:
stevemarks wrote:

Valverde out of the Giro!

That's a shame...any reason why?....Have they announced their team?

He was injured last week in a training crash.

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Sniffer wrote:
Dr Winston wrote:
stevemarks wrote:

Valverde out of the Giro!

That's a shame...any reason why?....Have they announced their team?

He was injured last week in a training crash.

Just read the report. Looks like he’ll be helping Quintana at the TDF instead. Quite a blow for Landa as well really...he could have done with Valverde around as he improves his form....

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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He's apparently said the pressure of the world's jersey is getting to him. It's why he hasn't been performing to his best so far. Says it's reminiscent of his early career when he was constantly stressed out.

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

He's apparently said the pressure of the world's jersey is getting to him. It's why he hasn't been performing to his best so far. Says it's reminiscent of his early career when he was constantly stressed out.

He should give it back to Sagan....losing it hasn't done him much good either.

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archieboy [87 posts] 2 months ago
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Now Bernal joins Piti as a non starter, broken collar bone in training apparently .

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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archieboy wrote:

Now Bernal joins Piti as a non starter, broken collar bone in training apparently .

That’s a real shame for him and the race....I was really looking forward to him riding with Roglic and Yates. They’re  three of my favourite riders...very aggressive and always looking for the stage win as well as the overall win and would have been great to have all three together. Big Tom....not quite so exciting...

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Big decision for Ineos now...who will lead the team? Bookies have slashed the odds on all of Sosa, Poels and Hart...with Sosa the shortest odds to win the Giro of those three...Any thoughts?

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MinardiM189 [556 posts] 2 months ago
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Dr Winston wrote:

Big decision for Ineos now...who will lead the team? Bookies have slashed the odds on all of Sosa, Poels and Hart...with Sosa the shortest odds to win the Giro of those three...Any thoughts?

Pinarello will be very pissed off.

Dunbar has been brought in for Moscon.

The replacement for Bernal is rumoured to be Sosa.

It will be Sosa's 1st GT, TGH & Sivakov rode the Vuelta last year. I think they need somone with more experience to help all the young guys but can't see them bringing anyone out of their TdF squad. osa could be a more sensible choice than Sosa, he could quite possibly go for stage wins and KoM.

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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MinardiM189 wrote:
Dr Winston wrote:

Big decision for Ineos now...who will lead the team? Bookies have slashed the odds on all of Sosa, Poels and Hart...with Sosa the shortest odds to win the Giro of those three...Any thoughts?

Pinarello will be very pissed off.

Dunbar has been brought in for Moscon.

The replacement for Bernal is rumoured to be Sosa.

It will be Sosa's 1st GT, TGH & Sivakov rode the Vuelta last year. I think they need somone with more experience to help all the young guys but can't see them bringing anyone out of their TdF squad. osa could be a more sensible choice than Sosa, he could quite possibly go for stage wins and KoM.

Sosa has the talent...he showed that with his fantastic ride in th tour of Colombia when he mixed it up with Lopez and Quintana...three weeks is a whole other ball game though. Hart is similar in that ge’s Become almost a super domestique. 

I agree they won’t want to split their TDF squad up...so maybe they’ll ride and decide as the race goes on. The race only really heads uphill from stage 13 onwards so they have time. What do you think!

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Gecko-cyclist [52 posts] 2 months ago
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It looks like Ineos are talking down the GC and playing for stages, although that could obviously change deeper into the race.

Of the 3 GC options Tao is the only one who seems to have world tour TT pedigree so I'm not sure about the bookies predictions. Sivakov wasn't bad as a junior but I can't see anything about Sosa?

That the TTs are hilly may narrow the gap but with 42km of TT before they hit the mountains, I would have thought that the strongest TT climber type would end up the defacto leader?

Either way though it'll be interesting how it plays out...

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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All stages and profiles have now been input into PCS. I’d read it was brutal from stage 13 onwards but it’s actually beyond brutal.

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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Comp is open!

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

Comp is open!

Yeah....Have you got the right Izagirre in Andy?...

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MikaelLie [7 posts] 2 months ago
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Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused if there’s transfers in the Giro (Italians) game, or is there NOT any transfers?

In the two other competitions there is one WITH transfers and one WITHOUT any transfers.

But in the “Italian” game It says both, as far as I can read..?

So do you guys know what is right here???

Dr Winston wrote:
Condor Andy wrote:

Comp is open!

Yeah....Have you got the right Izagirre in Andy?...

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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Dr Winston wrote:

Yeah....Have you got the right Izagirre in Andy?...

Well spotted, thought I had. Fixed now.

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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MikaelLie wrote:

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused if there’s transfers in the Giro (Italians) game, or is there NOT any transfers?

In the two other competitions there is one WITH transfers and one WITHOUT any transfers.

But in the “Italian” game It says both, as far as I can read..?

So do you guys know what is right here???

I've edited the competition notes now. It's a bonus purist for fun, doesn't count towards anything.

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MikaelLie [7 posts] 2 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:
MikaelLie wrote:

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused if there’s transfers in the Giro (Italians) game, or is there NOT any transfers?

In the two other competitions there is one WITH transfers and one WITHOUT any transfers.

But in the “Italian” game It says both, as far as I can read..?

So do you guys know what is right here???

I've edited the competition notes now. It's a bonus purist for fun, doesn't count towards anything.

Okay thx Andy.

So there is NO transfers in the “Italian game” right?

And I just saw that Ulissi is missing in that game. He is an Italian as far as I know hehe

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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Yep, no transfers. And I don't know what you're talking about, of course he's in the game, I didn't forget to mark that checkbox......*sips tea as if nothing was awry. 

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archieboy [87 posts] 2 months ago
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Ineos sending a fracking good schoolboy team.

 

Dunbar ftw..

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Just what sort of a race is this that they’ve dreamed up. A tour of two halves is about right.

Does anybody else think most of the sprinters could be leaving at the end of stage 12?...not much for them after that apart from an awful lot of effort to get to one flat stage.

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tony kappler [200 posts] 2 months ago
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Andy,

Stage 1 finish is a cat 3 climb. Should you therefore score the mountains jersey for stage 1?

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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tony kappler wrote:

Andy,

Stage 1 finish is a cat 3 climb. Should you therefore score the mountains jersey for stage 1?

Have you also noticed that the stage information on PCS are showing fewer categorised climbs than they’re showing at the foot of each page...Stage 7 for sample is showing only one categorised climb on the profile but three at the foot of the page.

Any idea what’s going on with that?

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Condor Andy [736 posts] 2 months ago
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There's not much left for the sprinters after stage 11. Stage 18 will probably be a sprint, but people like Viviani and Gaviria are planning on doing the Tour as well. So there's not much point in suffering along unless they really want the points jersey.

Good point Tony, I was wondering if that was categorised and I couldn't spot it.

Yeah PCS have provided more climb profiles for things like uphill uncategorised finishes. Just some extra information.

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Dr Winston [752 posts] 2 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

There's not much left for the sprinters after stage 11. Stage 18 will probably be a sprint, but people like Viviani and Gaviria are planning on doing the Tour as well. So there's not much point in suffering along unless they really want the points jersey.

Good point Tony, I was wondering if that was categorised and I couldn't spot it.

Yeah PCS have provided more climb profiles for things like uphill uncategorised finishes. Just some extra information.

Have you looked at the stages?....an awful lot of them only have KOM pts towards the end of the stages for th first half of the race. Seems quite odd really....they’re so far down that most breaks will get swallowed up before them. Any thoughts?

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