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I'm currently running a pair of Schwalbe Pro-Ones and find them a bit slippery on wet roads (and they're not new, so I have run them in).

With winter around the corner, I'm looking to get some 28mm tubeless tyres that are more confidence inspiring. Any recommendations?

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. . [192 posts] 10 months ago
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If you can squeeze 30mm in,  G-One Speeds / S-Ones are as sticky as.  Hard to find at a decent price though.

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paulrattew [270 posts] 10 months ago
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The Schwalbe G-one speed tyres (previously called S-one) are great if you can fit them - 30mm nominal width but come up 32mm on my rims.

For 28mm, the Hutchinson Sector tyres are a good option. They are a little bit slippy straight out of the pack, but once they have worn in a tiny bit they offer great grip and are more hard wearing than the schwalbe pro-one's.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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I have managed to fit in 30mm tyres previously, but it's so tight that any road grit sticking to the tyre would end up carving into the carbon-fibre frame, so I've decided it's not worth the risk (officially the frame only supports up to 28mm).

I did spot the Hutchison Sector tyres, but they're out of stock at Wiggle and CRC and I haven't looked further afield yet.

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Miller [118 posts] 10 months ago
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I have had a pair of Hutch Sector 28s on the go for a couple of years. They're very hard-wearing and very tough and give a good ride while not being the ultimate fastest tyre. A good choice for winter if you can fit them.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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@Miller - I'd be able to fit them, but no-one's got them. I did see one for sale on EBay at around £50, but it was just the one.

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johnvrcc [14 posts] 10 months ago
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I have a pair of Mavic's Yskion Allroads 30mm which I like. Pros: very grippy, pretty fast on tarmac, can be had for under £30. Cons: wear quickly and cut/puncture fairly easily (have always sealed for me, but then can't be inflated past 60psi without bursting)

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MoutonDeMontagne [109 posts] 10 months ago
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I have much the same quandry as I love my G-ones on my cx bike, but they won't fit on the road bile (max 25mm). Not tubeless, but I've recently switched to Vitorria Pave's from GP4000s and been very impressed.

On the subject of GP4000s, I've manage to get them to seal on a non tubeless rim (askium but with schwalbe tape) but not dared ride them. If you're on tubeless rims, might be worth a round the block experiment on the off chance you've an old one lying around. 

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iso2000 [90 posts] 10 months ago
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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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@MoutonDeMontagne - I don't have enough faith in ghetto tubeless. I'd rather just put in inner tubes than always have a nagging doubt at the back of my mind.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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@iso2000 - I can't see any size other than 25mm. Interestingly, thecycleclinic website has some Schwalbe Pro-Ones in 28mm width which almost tempted me until I remembered how slippery they can be in the wet (I've never had tyres that slippery before).

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Miller [118 posts] 10 months ago
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Those cycleclinic 28mm tyres are not Pro Ones, they are first generation Ones although still tubeless-easy. I know cos I have a pair on a bike I put together recently. I was taken aback at their weight, 390g per, on the other hand I have come to love them. At 60psi they roll really, really well. They're ok in the wet in my opinion, depending on what you expect a tyre to be able to cope with.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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Miller wrote:

Those cycleclinic 28mm tyres are not Pro Ones, they are first generation Ones although still tubeless-easy. I know cos I have a pair on a bike I put together recently. I was taken aback at their weight, 390g per, on the other hand I have come to love them. At 60psi they roll really, really well. They're ok in the wet in my opinion, depending on what you expect a tyre to be able to cope with.

Thanks. I don't know what it is with the Schwalbe Pro Ones as they're absolutely lovely in the dry, but it just needs a little bit of moisture on the road and they start slipping when accelerating or braking. I've not had any other tyre be so fickle in the wet, but like you say, they do roll very nicely.

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jterrier [208 posts] 10 months ago
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G-one speed (s-ones in old money), the liteskin tl easy version. Amazing.

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sergius [552 posts] 10 months ago
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I'm running Schwalbe Pro Ones on my best bike, with the time of year I've been taking out the winter bike/best bike depending on the weather.  The 25mm Pro Ones on my best bike don't seem to grip noticeably differently from the Conti GP4000SII tyres I've been using for the last few years on all my bikes (touch wood slightly better with punctures though), and am running the 28mm version of the Contis on my winter bike.

 

I'm in a bit of a funny situation in that I refuse to adopt tubeless right now, but Hunt issued some guidelines that Conti tyres were no longer supported and sent me some replacement Pro Ones - which other than the fitting dramas and the one puncture I've had this year (unseating tubeless tyres appears to be a whole different ball game to the Conti's I'm used too), have been fautless.

 

I guess my only point is that from my frame of reference; with two high end "race" tyres, they seem to offer a similar level of grip - I've done 1000's of km on both by now.  I'm never going to corner at speed across a mini-roundabout on a painted surface in the wet - you need four wheels for that.

I can't really think of any situations where some additional tyre grip would make me go faster, I've certainly never experienced any straight line slip unless the road is wet and covered in crap, and the gradient is 10%+.

 

What are you comparing the Pro Ones too?

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CXR94Di2 [2145 posts] 10 months ago
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Trade frame for so can take 40mm tyres. You then only need one bike two pairs of wheels to do pretty much all terrain riding. Cough Tripster V2  1

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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@sergius - I'm comparing the Pro-Ones with every tyre I've used though not GP4000s. Mainly Vittoria, Hutchinson, Maxxis etc. The problem is when the road is wet/damp and the pressure may be a factor too as this weekend I pumped them up to 90psi and that definitely makes them very slippy. Yesterday morning, I had the rear wheel skid from light-ish braking and then on my way home, I had the rear wheel slip a tiny bit whilst accelerating from traffic lights though it was a shiny bit of tarmac.

I've used Pro-Ones on my previous bike and noticed the same, so I'm pretty sure it's the tyres and not just me being heavy-handed.

@CRX94Di2 - how does that fit into the n+1 ethos?

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CXR94Di2 [2145 posts] 10 months ago
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Never subscribed to it, get one that can do most, if not all.

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Bowks [46 posts] 10 months ago
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If you're looking for the Hutchy Sector 28's, I got a pair for £75 from Acycles a few months back.

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paulrattew [270 posts] 10 months ago
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I've got 28mm Pro-ones on my 'road bike' at the moment. Apart from the initial lack of grip due to whatever preservative gets sprayed on the tyres at the factory I've never had any grip problems with them. It probably took fifty or sixty miles to bed them in but after that they have been just as good as almost all the other tyres I've tried, even in the wet. Prior to the 28mm tyres I had the 25mm version, which were also fine grip wise. Every sety of tubeless road tyres I've tried seem to require a little bit more bedding in than non-tubeless tyres. The only tyres I've tried that were super grippy straight out of the box were conti GP 4000Sii which are simply not suitable as a winter tyre

On my 'gravel' bike I use a mix of tyres depending on the riding I'm exptecting to do. Two sets of schwalbes - X-ones for CX style riding, 35mm G-ones for more mixed riding, and a set of hutchinson sector 28mm tyres for road only riding (and wintery sportives). I'm lucky enough to have a couple of sets of wheels for that bike so I can keep them set up with different tyres. When the hutchinson sectors finally die I will probably replace them with either the 32mm model or with schwalbe G-one speeds as there isn't enough of a different in the speed of those tyres compared to the 28s to put me off of them.

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rutland [5 posts] 10 months ago
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I've done about 1,000km on 25mm Pro One tyres tubeless on Pacenti SL23 v2 rims (20.2mm internal width) at 70 psi.  In the dry they have been great,  but on wet and greasy country lanes I have had the back step out on me a few of times and I've had to catch the front when cornering on a couple of occasions lately.  I'm going to try dropping them to 65psi to see if that improves things. If not, I'll be trying IRC Formula Pro or going back to tubes and Open Pave.

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iso2000 [90 posts] 10 months ago
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@iso2000 - I can't see any size other than 25mm. Interestingly, thecycleclinic website has some Schwalbe Pro-Ones in 28mm width which almost tempted me until I remembered how slippery they can be in the wet (I've never had tyres that slippery before).

you can select 28mm here:

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/road-tyres/products/2017-irc-formula-pro-fusion-x-guard-tubeless-tyres

I haven't used these but will be buying the 28mm pros next summer to replace my winter G-One Speeds.

 

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kevvjj [398 posts] 10 months ago
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Have a look at the Bontrager Hard-Case TLR series. Currently running the R3 TLR version and they roll fast and (so far) no issues with ounctures or lack of grip in the wet.

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mtbtomo [267 posts] 10 months ago
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No issues with my pro ones in wet races. They haven't lasted mega miles but then they're meant to be a fast light tyre so I wouldn't expect them to last 1000s of miles.

I'd use some normal Ones for winter if my non-race tubeless wheels weren't a bit the worse for wear and i was going to fit some new tyres.

I'd never try ghetto tubeless (normal tyre) on a road bike due to the pressures involved. Mtb, yes. Road, definitely not!

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schlepcycling [92 posts] 10 months ago
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Another thumbs up for IRC tyres, specifically the IRC Roadlite.  I know it's not sold as a winter tyre but I used a pair over last winter and so far they've covered over 4000 puncture free miles.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 10 months ago
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So far, it looks like IRC are winning - especially as no-one (not even ACycles) has the Hutchinsons.

Something occurred to me about the Pro Ones slipping in the wet: I wonder if it's the pressure that's causing the problem, so I've dropped mine from 90psi down to 60psi to see if that helps.

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Ogi [150 posts] 10 months ago
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Hutchinson Fusion 5 All Season TL?

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gunswick [131 posts] 10 months ago
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I wonder of the tyre pressure is the problem. 90psi is high for these. I have schwalbe s-ones (g-one speeds) and they grip very well, but, they really only like 60psi (they are max rated at 75 iirc) else they skitter about and are hard.

If you have the pro-ones setup tubeless (and you should!) then try them at 60psi or even 55. The reviews of those tyres are glowing, I can't believe they all did not identify wet grip issues.

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hawkinspeter [2115 posts] 9 months ago
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@gunswick - you may be right. I've reduced the pressure in the Pro Ones and last night although the roads were quite wet, I didn't notice any particular slipping of the tyres although I still didn't feel confident on them in the wet.

I can't seem to find 28mm Hutchinson tyres in stock anywhere, so I'm going to get a pair of the IRCs instead.

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Aminthule [17 posts] 7 months ago
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I've just bought a set of Hutchinson Sector 28 tyres to run tube less and asked my local bike shop to fit them for me. The first tyre has gone on fine and snapped straight into the rim bead, however it will not maintain pressure and when tested with soapy water the mechanics have found that the tyre is leaking heavily from the side wall, especially along what appears to be the join between the side wall and the siped tread part of the tyre. The tyre has lost around 50% of the initial 80psi in around 6 hours, so pretty impractical. Has anyone else experienced similar issues?no

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CXR94Di2 [2145 posts] 7 months ago
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Sorry only ever used schwalbe for tubeless, been perfect once installed correctly by me, correcting wheel builders poor rim tape installation

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