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Giving up with pro cycling, maybe

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  • April 30, 2015 at 8:30 am #23886
    ianrobo

    the past two weeks have shown frankly unbelievable results and times if you believe the peloton is clean.

    Seeing a 35 year old win so many times, better than he was doping and younger riders being blasted out are for me clear warning signs. I love watching the cycling, I love the coverage but I am lose to giving it up because so many seem gullible. The latest is this nonsense ….

    the Inner Ring @inrng
    Fabio Aru tells La Gazzetta Dello Sport he got dysentery, 5kg weight loss no figure of speech, went from 62kg to 57kg, now at 60kg

    dysentery, oh FFS what a lie

    then the case of Kittel disappearing with a ‘virus’

    the reluctance to kick out Astana

    Is it really back to the EPO days ?

    I had so many hopes for Cookson

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  • May 5, 2015 at 9:52 am #844233
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    pants

    Eddy Merckx – La Course en
    Eddy Merckx – La Course en Tete (1974)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hnLjiTzejo

    the person who uploaded that also uploaded a sunday in hell.

    May 4, 2015 at 2:14 am #844231
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    phebeM

    Colin Peyresourde

    Colin Peyresourde wrote:
    Pandora’s box is open and no man can close it.

    I agree with Chasseur Patate: I believe doping is part of every sport, I don’t believe a team is cleaner than another, in fact the more a team/rider wins it probably makes it clear he does. In some ways Armstrong is right, that doping makes it a level playing field…of sorts. There is still competition because at the apex of the arms race testing is helping give parity. But like all sports, money buys winners – money buys guarantees and it does that by buying the insurance of medication which is a shame. Money, as anyone who follows the Premiership spoils competition.

    I can still enjoy the races. But the things I enjoy the most are the unpredictable, the chaos thrown into the system – E3 this year will remain with me for a long time, and Omloop.

    This remind me of Football Gambling in China. Money plays.

    May 3, 2015 at 10:04 am #844229
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    fukawitribe

    AJ101 wrote:tl;dr; – for the

    AJ101 wrote:
    tl;dr; – for the duration of the final alpine climb of the day

    …then 6.5W/kg is probably pushing it to say the least, suspicious coming back from illness or not if over 30 mins

    May 3, 2015 at 10:03 am #844227
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    Stumps

    Can someone point me in the
    Can someone point me in the direction of where this 6.5w/kg came from ? Is it in the Gazzetta article which states he’s back upto 60kg which is ultimately only a loss of 2kg.

    Also Wiggins lost just over 3kg for his 2012 TdF victory and was tested constantly so why cant Aru be poorly, lose a load of weight, and then put some back on to be almost the same ?

    Or is it because he rides for Astana, heaven forbid he rode for Sky as the gallows would have been built for him by now.

    May 3, 2015 at 9:54 am #844225
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    AJ101

    tl;dr; – for the duration of
    tl;dr; – for the duration of the final alpine climb of the day

    May 3, 2015 at 9:53 am #844223
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    AJ101

    For those new to the w/kg
    For those new to the w/kg ideas – http://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/the-physiology-at-the-front-of-the-tour/ – long but worthwhile

    May 3, 2015 at 9:43 am #844221
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    fukawitribe

    Chasseur Patate wrote:stumps

    Chasseur Patate wrote:
    stumps wrote:
    The Aru weight loss is not a big thing, you just have to look at Cav with his regular weight loss.
    In 9 days i lost 7kg after coming back from Kenya with a stomach bug so why cant someone else lose a similar amount of weight.

    And still put out 6.5 w/kg?

    Ok.

    For how long ? Even I can put out 6.5W/kg for a time – it’s just that that time is rather short…

    May 3, 2015 at 9:42 am #844219
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    AJ101

    I’d be interested to know
    I’d be interested to know what the current preparation is for riders to drop so much weight and still maintain power. Clenbuterol etc can be tested for so it’s going to be something more sophisticated, off the radar and hence not strictly illegal (apart from the no needles part). Any ideas?

    May 3, 2015 at 8:28 am #844217
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    Chasseur Patate

    stumps wrote:The Aru weight

    stumps wrote:
    The Aru weight loss is not a big thing, you just have to look at Cav with his regular weight loss.
    In 9 days i lost 7kg after coming back from Kenya with a stomach bug so why cant someone else lose a similar amount of weight.

    And still put out 6.5 w/kg?

    Ok.

    May 3, 2015 at 8:18 am #844215
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    fukawitribe

    AJ101 wrote:stumps wrote:The

    AJ101 wrote:
    stumps wrote:
    The Aru weight loss is not a big thing, you just have to look at Cav with his regular weight loss.
    In 9 days i lost 7kg after coming back from Kenya with a stomach bug so why cant someone else lose a similar amount of weight.

    They can, but they wouldn’t retain power.

    Indeed, and that’s what happens when riders drop weight for, e.g. climbing in the grand tours. It’s a balance between the absolute power you lose and the power-to-weight you gain – and they’re never going to match a stand-alone TT performance
    with one during the Giro for example. Riders know that, acknowledge that but it’s often not what will win the tour.

    May 3, 2015 at 8:08 am #844213
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    AJ101

    stumps wrote:The Aru weight

    stumps wrote:
    The Aru weight loss is not a big thing, you just have to look at Cav with his regular weight loss.
    In 9 days i lost 7kg after coming back from Kenya with a stomach bug so why cant someone else lose a similar amount of weight.

    They can, but they wouldn’t retain power.

    May 2, 2015 at 11:16 pm #844211
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    Stumps

    The Aru weight loss is not a
    The Aru weight loss is not a big thing, you just have to look at Cav with his regular weight loss.
    In 9 days i lost 7kg after coming back from Kenya with a stomach bug so why cant someone else lose a similar amount of weight.

    May 2, 2015 at 9:59 pm #844209
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    bashthebox

    Professional sportspeople are
    Professional sportspeople are gonna do everything possible within the rules to be the best. There’s a hell of a grey area around substances and practices not yet banned I guess. With regards to the Kittel blood irradiation allegations – wasn’t aware, have now read a bit. Inner Ring suggests it’s not gonna be performance enhancing, and wasn’t illegal at the time (http://inrng.com/2012/01/blood-irradiation-explained/) but I’d agree taking blood out and putting it back in is ropey behaviour… wasn’t exactly banned at the time though. Mind you, things that have only recently been banned include xenon gas and tramadol, so hey ho.

    May 2, 2015 at 9:48 pm #844207
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    Kadinkski

    pants wrote:When the last

    pants wrote:
    When the last Astana scandal broke out I said to myself I will no longer follow pro cycling if the team can carry on riding, and now here they are. Fuck it, everyone should just go out for rides and watch old videos of Eddy Merckx.

    Agreed. Speaking of which, saw A Sunday in Hell for the first time the other day:

    May 2, 2015 at 9:29 pm #844205
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    AJ101

    Well at least he doesn’t keep
    Well at least he doesn’t keep wobbling around cos of Tramadol usage or get his salbutamol machine out before launching a big attack…

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