Third cyclist killed on London Cycle Superhighway, tipper lorry involved

Very sad....
Please sort this Superhighway??? out...

The CS2 extension looks like an improvement from the original part. However it'll still spew riders out onto the Bow Roundabout and this original section which TfL know is not fit for purpose and now has another cycling fatality on it.

Yet again it's a tipper truck.

TfL could easily sort this by banning them during peak hours but there's no sign of this happening

Surely it's time for the DVLA to seriously reconsider the standards required to pass the HGV licence?

They are without question some of the most lethal vehicles on the road but seem to be driven almost exclusively by labrador brained knucleheads, that's not to say that any vehicle cannot be driven by similarly labrador brained knucleheads but HGVs by their very nature are more dangerous. [/sweeping generalisations regarding fat lorry drivers>

My deepest condolences to the families affected today by this tragic crash. The only solution is to remove the conflict on the roads: create space for cycling.

So very sad, condolences to the family of the guy concerned. I desperately hope that a safe solution can be found before more lives are lost on CS2

- Ban large vehicles during rush hour
- Don't let them on the roads at all if they have blind spots that can be cured with a few extra mirrors
- Remove blue paint from these horrible roads - it just gives cyclists a false sense of security

Oh boy. How many times do we need to copy and paste similar sentiments?

Sad day indeed. Super highway! What's so super.
How many more deaths will it take for the authorites to act.
BIG action needed before another cyclist dies.
STAY AWAY FROM HGV's WHERE YOU CAN.

CS2 is worse than “just a piece of blue paint.” it brings motor-vehicles too close to cyclists, in places it's part of a car lane e.g. http://goo.gl/maps/RaRvr

It's about time that very strict enforcement of tax, mot, license and insurance were brought against construction vehicles. Any company hiring a tipper truck that lacks correct tax, mot, license or insurance should have the book thrown at them. It seems that these companies are not being held responsible when they should be.

I don't think banning large vehicles is feasible and I don't stick to cycling during rush hour anyway. But I do think that these vehicles need mandatory retro-fits of better mirror setups.

And very sad for the friends and family of the victim, words fail me :-(.

Another issue that needs addressing is the paying of Tipper Trucks 'by the load' which can only encourage drivers to go quickly and get in more loads.

The construction industry in London should self regulate and ban this practice. Or Boris should sort them out.

Not saying it is an issue in this tragedy, but Tipper trucks are far too often involved and need stronger regulation, safety and training.

One life lost is one too many! Now there have been three cyclists killed in the same area. Something must be done to ensure this sad situation does not happen again.

My Sincere Sympathy to the family and friends of the Deceased Cyclist. My Condolances.

First can you explain your maths - 2 dead on CS2 at Bow Roundabout, 1 dead on CS2 at Aldgate/Commercial Street, plus now a further death between those locations on Mile End Road? That makes four?

There but for some sixth sense? White rigid 18T with box and tail lift made my alarm system trip first by the way he passed me on Stamford Street - I then passed on way to Southwark Bridge and turned to head up in to the City - somehow I just knew he would be going my way and I made sure I clocked the driver at Upper Thames Street lights - me central position with other cyclists going on up Queen Street. Truck driver in n/s lane not signalling and sure enough he sets off to turn RIGHT probably about 17.45 (as it will be on CCTV). Having made the driver well aware of my presence I was thankful that this was sufficient to make him suitably cautious about pulling away and my presence (and that of a few other cyclists forced him to drive with appropriate to that presence (but still never signalled the right turn!) Vehicle nominally white with green lettering for a produce supplier based in Ockenden (watch out for that guy he needs a bit of 'care around cyclists' training.

The other of today's 'bads' what news of the cyclist trapped by coach turning Southampton Row-Theobalds Road? Had that attempted by 7.5T (C1) driver a couple of months back - again no signal (initially) - as a cyclist you are invited to use bus lane which then becomes left filter for Theobalds Road. You need to sit well to the right in the lane and make left turning motor vehicle drivers pass behind to make the turn - not this guy - we set off and I wonder why he seems to be taking a course so close, slow and parallel to me - look in to the cab and I realise he wants to turn left and was expecting me to stop so that he could cut me up, but I of course kept moving straight ahead. Could have been nasty. Trying to figure what I'd have done aside from deflection turn and grabbing door handle/mirror bracket or punching in n/s window to get something more substantial to hang on to. Just like CS2 a fundamental flaw in the road layout and traffic management at this junction.

Oh and @Neil753 next year sees the deadline for the first wave of 35 hour CPC for C+E licence holders. Going around even the big name training providers NONE seems to have a module to address the relationship between users of large trucks and of cycles. Some are even signing off (and being accepted as meeting the standards) by doing same modules each year. Where's the sense in that? Very pleased though that (ONLY in Scotland) Police Scotland and Traffic Commissioner have a Memorandum of Understanding and every vocational licence holder stopped for use of a mobile device is automatically being reported to TAO - expect to hear of short licence suspensions in addition to penalty points if the Commissioner needs to get tough with the crack-down.

PS Apparently CS2 extension to Stratford makes a very passable canal after even a mild shower.. perhaps they should have thought about drains when building a route with 6" kerbs on each side and then blocking it off with a raised pedestrian crossing point?

If design of route cannot get that basic detail right what of the more critical designing out of inherently dangerous conflicting movements?

I just do not see how any sentient human being can sleep at night directing cyclists on to "super highways" that are regularly used by HGV' s. It is criminally negligent and at least the coroner in the most recent case is putting TFL on the spot.
Upper Thames as mentioned above is in my opinion one of the most dangerous roads in London with all the industrial traffic along it and the Southwark bridge intersection (on the superhighway) is just horrible. I have contacted TFL about this accident waiting to happen but you just get the usual BS back.
My condolences to the family, we do not know the circumstances but we do know the outcome and it is tragic.

Quote on the evening standard is shocking...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-hit-by-lorry-dies-and-hour...

"Motiur Khan, 22, said: “The lorry was behind the cyclist and sort of went into the back of him and then I don’t really know if he lost control or something, but he hit the cyclist who went under the lorry which just ran over and crushed him."

No disrespect to the dead and not to absolve the driver of any blame (he has killed someone after all), but with every hgv-roundabout-left-turn fatality I'm increasingly thinking "idiot cyclist".

Seriously, who cycles alongside a hgv these days and isn't warily giving it a wide berth or just backing off and letting the thing go ahead completely?

It's not as if it hasn't been well publicised over the years, and only requires a modicum of commonsense.

It's the same with any other form of transport, ultimately you've got to look out for your own safety and that of others...

... pedestrians crossing blindly at a snail's pace while staring at your bloody iPhone take note.

Right,,it,s time some home truths were told here,,,I am 52 years old and hold a full license to drive every type of vehicle on the road from a motorcycle to an artic and including buses,,and i am a cyclist..
I drove a fully safety equipped tipper around central london a few for a couple of weeks a few months ago and i have to say ta lot of cyclists have no respect for their own lives...i had one man about the age of the chap killed on the mile end road,,come into my blindspot,i was alerted by sensors,lean on my cab,despite there being a green box in front and DESPITE THE VEHICLE SHOUTING AT HIM REPEATEDLY THAT THIS VEHICLE IS TURNING LEFT..WHEN I GOT OUT AND ASKED HIM WHAT HE WAS DOING HE TOOK OFF THROUGH THE RED LIGHT WITHOUT LOOKING.
Another man of the of a similar age on a BORIS BIKE decided that i should not be in the very wide bus lane at whitechapel despite me being there legally and moved to the centre of the bus lane after looking directly at me and held up all traffic.
these two are only a few of the stories i can tell of lunatic cyclists in Central London who seem to think they have rights over all other traffic and no respect for their own safety.
I am sure it is often this type of cyclist that is involved in these terrible tragedies and i personally know truck drivers who have been cleared of any fault in a cyclist death,who lives have been destroyed by having to live with the trauma of these events despite being cleared of all responsibility.
those of you that post these ban lorries and slag off lorry drivers in your posts are probably just these sort of people.
Remember as a cyclist you are using the road with no license registration or insurance and those of you who cycle in the road when there are perfectly safe cycle lanes available to you that have cost us the paying road user millions of pounds are a menace to society.
HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR OTHER ROAD USERS,,THE COUNCILS THAT HAVE SUPPLIED SAFE CYCLING ENVIROMENTS,,,AND MOST OFF ALL YOUR OWN LIVES.
WHY ANYONE FEELS THE NEED TO CYCLE ALONG THE HIGHWAY FROM THE LIMEHOUSE LINK TO TOWER HILL I HAVE NO IDEA,,,THERE IS A PERFECTLY SAFE FREE FROM LORRIES CYCLE LANE THE FULL LENGTH OF CABLE STREET...YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN,,,SOME OF YOU NEED TO GET REAL QUICKLY OR THIS WILL KEEP HAPPENING.IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE DRIVERS AT FAULT....USE THE FACILITIES AVAILABLE TO YOU AND STAY AWAY FROM TRUCKS....THEY ARE ONLY DANGEROUS IF YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION.

First of all our thoughts have to be with the friends and families of those involved.
Before we trail the driver of the truck my media. Let us first consider the old adage that we are innocent until proven guilty.
The reports suggest that the collision happened when the lorry pulled off following the road, i.e. not turning, so it is a different circumstance to the bow round-a-bout concerns.
We do not know who was at fault here. There are differing scenarios which would proportion blame to either driver, cyclist, tfl. Who knows.
One thing I would point out is that why does it always seem to involve tippers :(.
And another incident on the cycle super highway. The whole point of which was to make cyclists feel more safe, yet another one has needlessly perished. If nothing else it would suggest that the CS is ill concieved and certainly I would be more concerned about using it.

@trucking cyclist. P pay for the road too, from General taxation. I have insurance. I have EVERY RIGHT to use the roads that I CHOOSE to cycle on. The majority of cycle lanes are not 'safe' they are in fact taking cyclists into your blind spots, up the inside of you and other trucks. If a cyclists takes the lane (as your boris biker did) then maybe it is because they don't feel it safe for you to pass them at that point. This is a safe move. You're wrong to say trucks are only dangerous if you are in the wrong position, they are also dangerous if driven too close to a cyclist in the right positon, or who the driver hasn't seen. Some cyclists take massive risks with their lives, they shouldn't but do. Some cdrivers take massive risks with MY life, they shouldn't but some do. Telling cyclists to use other roads is not the answer, the answer is to have more respect from both sides, more education for both sides and for there to be safe infrustructure.

trukcing cyclist - some of the behaviours, such as pulling in front of you in the middle of the lane, or "holding traffic up", are recommend practice. Its known as Vehicular Cycling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling) and its generally accepted as the safest way to cycle given a lack of safe infrastructure.

The fact the cyclist "moved to the centre of the bus lane after looking directly at me and held up all traffic." is exactly what they should have done, they've ensured you've seen them.

If a lorry was behind me, i'd be making sure i'd made eye contact and was positioned in the middle of the lane too!

The fact that someone with a HGV license doesn't understand the reason for these behaviours is very worrying, especially when you assume its only done out of arrogance, or to deliberately hold traffic up.

The type of cyclists usually involved in accidents with HGV's are often new or timid cyclists, sticking to the left and following the (dangerous) cycle paths, as stated in the recent coroners report mentioned above, though this doesn't necessarily make them at fault.

My Tweet to Boris the clown :

skippy mc carthy ‏@skippydetour 2m
@SafeCyclingOz @mayoroflondon SHAME ON YOU ! Your CS2 DEATH TRAP requires http://road.cc/sites/default/files/Prevention%20of%20Future%20Deaths%20r... … …NOW! Not WHEN! How MANYmore Cyclists LOST?

His minders will NOT show it to him !

Another bad hair day for him ?

Will be adding to skippi-cyclist.blogspot.com later today .

@truckingcyclist

You want me to start listing all the examples of lunatic motorists I've seen over the years in London? It would take all day and fill up the entire site.

Trucks often endanger cyclists because they, the trucks, are badly driven. They overtake then cut across cyclists, they overttake dangerously close and fast (they do this a lot), and they roll right over both cyclists and pedestrians who are right in front of them. Near me the corner pavement is completely smashed up because trucks regularly drive right over the pavement when turning.

(Though personally my sense is the bigger the HGV the more skilled the driver is likely to be - its actually the smaller trucks that are the worst).

On the subject of entitled motorist behaviour, I'm still rolling my eyes at the car I saw parked yesterday - 3/4 on the pavement, on a double-red line, right across the dropped kerb at a major, light-controlled, pedestrian crossing, right at a junction, completely blocking both the pedestrian crossing AND the busy pavement and partly blocking the road so that buses had great trouble squeezing past.

All so he could stop directly outside a takaway food place rather than down a side-street requriing a 100 yard walk. Its not directly relevant to this tragic incident, but its a typical example of entitled motorist behaviour.

Something odd happens to too many people's brains when they get behind the wheel of a motorised vehicle. I reckon its the combination of lethal power and isolation.

Your telling cyclists they should get off 'your' road and take some other route is a good example of the worrying sense of entitlement that too many drivers exhibit.

Condolences to all who knew this cyclist. And almost regardless of how this happened, or whether they did anything "wrong", they are still another victim of our car-centric road design.

This so sad

I've ridden CS2 once while I was living in London and have to say it was the single most scary experience of my life. It's horrendous and completely unsafe for cyclists. Quite literally the blue gauntlet.

As a cyclist I'm glad to see the back of that City, something's got to give, it just gets worse. >.<

Condolences and respects to those who knew the cyclist involved.

@trucking_cyclist

I have to say your creating an account here specifically to engage in ranting which shows many of the ill-informed biases we have come to expect from poor drivers has done nothing except make you look bad and entrench some cyclists anti-motorists view

on vehicular cycling - please note 'taking the lane' is recommended by the Institute of Advanced Motoring - although you may not have heard of them

on tax-paying motorists - as already noted, roads are paid for from general taxation, not Vehicle License Duty - road tax was abolished before world war 2 by Churchill specifically to avoid motorists believing it's 'their road'

and your merry diatribe of poor cyclists is as nothing to the tales of indifference, arrogance and sheer stupidity any regular cycle commuter could regale you with regarding drivers

in short - what exactly was your point?