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Dorset Police are appealing for information after a cyclist allegedly threatened to stab a driver in Poole. The threat is said to have come after the motorist challenged her, believing that she was about to run a red light.

The incident occurred on Bournemouth Road at approximately 8.50am on Thursday December 7.

It is reported that the female cyclist verbally abused the driver – a local woman in her 40s – kicked and punched her black Honda CRV, attempted to rip its wing mirror off and then opened the passenger door and slammed it shut.

When the lights turned to green the victim drove away and then pulled over to examine her car. The suspect is alleged to have again approached the victim, producing a small pointed item from ‘a compartment on the bike’ and threatening to stab the woman. She also rammed her bike into her.

Police have released a photo of the suspect, who was riding a turquoise-coloured mountain bike and wearing a blue helmet and thermal head cover, trainers, black leggings and a dark pink jacket.

Police Constable Conor Valentine, of the traffic unit, said: “I am appealing to anyone who witnessed any part of this incident to please contact Dorset Police.

“I am issuing a photo of the cyclist which was taken as she rode away and I would ask her, or anyone who knows who she is, to please come forward so we can fully investigate this incident.

“Finally, I would ask any motorists who were travelling in the area at the relevant time and have dash cam fitted in their vehicles to contact us if they have captured the incident.”

Anyone with information is asked to contact Dorset Police at www.dorset.police.uk, via email at 101 [at] dorset.pnn.police.uk or by calling 101, quoting occurrence number 55170189886.

Alternatively you can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111 or via www.crimestoppers-uk.org.

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Yorkshire wallet [1632 posts] 1 month ago
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Cathy Wiggins.

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alansmurphy [1481 posts] 1 month ago
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How can you believe someone is going to run a red light and does she challenge every car doing 31 or more in a 30 zone? Must be a busy lady...

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Bluebug [271 posts] 1 month ago
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alansmurphy wrote:

How can you believe someone is going to run a red light and does she challenge every car doing 31 or more in a 30 zone? Must be a busy lady...

The cyclist must have gone over a stop line.

I've seen cyclists do it before and put themselves in a position where they can't see the lights change or can be hit by a turning vehicle.

When cars do it in my area they tend to do it at narrower junctions where traffic moves slower, and block buses from turning. I've seen some p*ssed off bus drivers but they don't threaten to kill the old - and it is normally old - git who has done it.

Doesn't matter anyway simply ignoring the driver or her to go forth and multiple would be sufficient. I do this to anyone who tells me to ride in the door zone.

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hawkinspeter [1209 posts] 1 month ago
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...and so it begins

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Sub4 [62 posts] 1 month ago
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Whereas if you complain to the Police that a motorist has threatened to kill you they will take no action whatsoever. I’ve been threatened with death or serious injury so many times I’ve lost count.

Sadly I’ve now felt it necessary to defile my bike with front & rear cameras.

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Jones The Steam [37 posts] 1 month ago
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Sub4 wrote:

Whereas if you complain to the Police that a motorist has threatened to kill you they will take no action whatsoever. I’ve been threatened with death or serious injury so many times I’ve lost count.

Sadly I’ve now felt it necessary to defile my bike with front & rear cameras.

Me too. But Hampshire Police are still not interested. They won't even review the footage if no collision has occurred.

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Jimnm [275 posts] 1 month ago
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Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Cathy Wiggins.

Haha  Love it! 

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billymansell [31 posts] 1 month ago
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Something doesn't quite ring true here.

Did the driver rush to overtake the cyclist and then use her car as a weapon to block the road to prevent the rider filtering ahead at the lights?

It's a common action of many drivers and seems plausible for if the rider had room to filter they would have been equal to the front bumper and ahead of the part of the car where the claimed damage and door opening took place.

Wouldn't justify what happened but may give a truer context.

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matthewn5 [1094 posts] 1 month ago
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Neither are Essex Police. Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_c6UH9Ev8

"Not enough evidence" they said. He's not a roadie. He's got a disability and rides a sit-up-and-beg bike. Rammed off his bike for daring to ride on the road.

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portec [120 posts] 1 month ago
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billymansell wrote:

Something doesn't quite ring true here.

Did the driver rush to overtake the cyclist and then use her car as a weapon to block the road to prevent the rider filtering ahead at the lights?

It's a common action of many drivers and seems plausible for if the rider had room to filter they would have been equal to the front bumper and ahead of the part of the car where the claimed damage and door opening took place.

Wouldn't justify what happened but may give a truer context.

I completely agree. Methinks the driver is not telling the whole story here.

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Grahamd [825 posts] 1 month ago
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portec wrote:
billymansell wrote:

Something doesn't quite ring true here.

Did the driver rush to overtake the cyclist and then use her car as a weapon to block the road to prevent the rider filtering ahead at the lights?

It's a common action of many drivers and seems plausible for if the rider had room to filter they would have been equal to the front bumper and ahead of the part of the car where the claimed damage and door opening took place.

Wouldn't justify what happened but may give a truer context.

I completely agree. Methinks the driver is not telling the whole story here.

Perhaps the driver works for the CPS and considers withholding information the new normal.

 

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cidermart [502 posts] 1 month ago
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Essex police 0 fucks given towards cyclists!

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wellsprop [623 posts] 1 month ago
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Wtf?!

I was cycling home one day and a lady driving a rather nice Audi pulled out right in front of me on an a-road (but stopped halfway when she realised I was there). She then pulled alongside me, swerved at me, revved and beeped and, in a hail of profanities, told me she was going to kill me and run me over.

I immediately stopped (once the car had gone), called 999, gave the registration and was told it wasn't a 999 incident. So I apologised and called police 101. Long story short, they took my details and my account of the incident, before long I got another call saying they weren't going to pursue anything.

Don't get me wrong, the incident in this article should be investigated by the police - I just wish they'd treat death threats and aggression towards cyclists the same way they do if it were towards motorists. The local police (Avon & Somerset) seem to be all over hate crime cases against homosexuals and ethnic minorities, but don't seem to care if it's against cyclists (having reported 5 incidents in the last year - death threats, stuff thrown at me, swerved into, passengers trying to hit me with various items).

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brooksby [2806 posts] 1 month ago
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I think there's a bit more to this than the driver is saying. Mind you, it's pretty impressive that she works for the pre-traffic-crimes department (I hadn't realised that department was up and running yet...).

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crazy-legs [951 posts] 1 month ago
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Every cyclist in Dorset should now contact PC Conor Valentine of the traffic unit reporting every single incident of close passes, threats of violence, abuse etc.

I assume of course that they'll be issuing the same appeals for information as they have done here? The local paper would probably require an extra dozen pages to accommodate them all.

I think there's a lot more to this story than the harmless innocent driver's side of things...

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Ush [1035 posts] 1 month ago
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This helmet-wearer is giving all of us helmet-wearers a bad name.

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cyclisto [349 posts] 1 month ago
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Ush wrote:

This helmet-wearer is giving all of us helmet-wearers a bad name.

Let alone what she does to all of us shoe-wearers

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alansmurphy [1481 posts] 1 month ago
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Bluebug wrote:
alansmurphy wrote:

How can you believe someone is going to run a red light and does she challenge every car doing 31 or more in a 30 zone? Must be a busy lady...

The cyclist must have gone over a stop line.

I've seen cyclists do it before and put themselves in a position where they can't see the lights change or can be hit by a turning vehicle.

When cars do it in my area they tend to do it at narrower junctions where traffic moves slower, and block buses from turning. I've seen some p*ssed off bus drivers but they don't threaten to kill the old - and it is normally old - git who has done it.

Doesn't matter anyway simply ignoring the driver or her to go forth and multiple would be sufficient. I do this to anyone who tells me to ride in the door zone.

If beyond the stop line the driver is likely to say she jumped a red light if she was over the stop line. If the rider was ahead, what could the driver do to prevent a dangerous act, which I assume is what she was trying to do.

As with others I don't quite believe this account. I'd wager the rider was filtering and the driver attempted to block or passed and squeezed either gesticulating or with the window down shouting. "I behaved aggressively with a tonne of metal and was told to fuck off" doesn't quite work as a story though...

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FluffyKittenofT... [1934 posts] 1 month ago
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This is why all drivers should be legally-obligated to wear stab-proof vests.

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Bluebug [271 posts] 1 month ago
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alansmurphy wrote:
Bluebug wrote:
alansmurphy wrote:

How can you believe someone is going to run a red light and does she challenge every car doing 31 or more in a 30 zone? Must be a busy lady...

The cyclist must have gone over a stop line.

I've seen cyclists do it before and put themselves in a position where they can't see the lights change or can be hit by a turning vehicle.

When cars do it in my area they tend to do it at narrower junctions where traffic moves slower, and block buses from turning. I've seen some p*ssed off bus drivers but they don't threaten to kill the old - and it is normally old - git who has done it.

Doesn't matter anyway simply ignoring the driver or her to go forth and multiple would be sufficient. I do this to anyone who tells me to ride in the door zone.

If beyond the stop line the driver is likely to say she jumped a red light if she was over the stop line. If the rider was ahead, what could the driver do to prevent a dangerous act, which I assume is what she was trying to do.

As with others I don't quite believe this account. I'd wager the rider was filtering and the driver attempted to block or passed and squeezed either gesticulating or with the window down shouting. "I behaved aggressively with a tonne of metal and was told to fuck off" doesn't quite work as a story though...

It is the later alleged threat with an object that could be a knife, but is probably a multi-tool, mini-pump or a CO2 cannister, which is why the police are interested.

They don't normally give a feck if two people have an argument.

Seems it is best to threaten to lamp someone with your bike lock there and then if you are do inclined as it isn't premeditated, rather than stopping and threatening them later with something in your saddle bag.

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Bikebikebike [365 posts] 1 month ago
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This story does have a strong whiff about it. 

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Beecho [236 posts] 1 month ago
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matthewn5 wrote:

Neither are Essex Police. Look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_c6UH9Ev8

"Not enough evidence" they said. He's not a roadie. He's got a disability and rides a sit-up-and-beg bike. Rammed off his bike for daring to ride on the road.

That, makes my blood boil. A disgrace.

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Ush [1035 posts] 1 month ago
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I wonder do helmets make cyclists that wear them more aggressive?

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alansmurphy [1481 posts] 1 month ago
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Bluebug wrote:

Seems it is best to threaten to lamp someone with your bike lock there and then if you are do inclined as it isn't premeditated, rather than stopping and threatening them later with something in your saddle bag.

Indeed. It appears she's a talented cyclist. Nearly jumping a red light, hearing a driver tut, getting off her bike, removing tools from a saddle bag and going through a mime; all in the time a concerned and careful driver passed nice and wide at 28mph...

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HoarseMann [13 posts] 1 month ago
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Sub4 wrote:

Whereas if you complain to the Police that a motorist has threatened to kill you they will take no action whatsoever. I’ve been threatened with death or serious injury so many times I’ve lost count.

Sadly I’ve now felt it necessary to defile my bike with front & rear cameras.

Same here. Given a recent experience I have made the decision to never ride without cameras again.

With the disappearance of traffic police from the roads and such stretched resources, the deterrent has all but gone. It sometimes feels like the Wild West out there. Sadly the only tool left is the threat of ubiquitous CCTV (if the police would take it as evidence).

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martib [85 posts] 1 month ago
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“Finally, I would ask any motorists who were travelling in the area at the relevant time and have dash cam fitted in their vehicles to contact us if they have captured the incident.”

 

So dashcam footage is OK as evidence, however footage from cyclists is not enough evidence. Rank hypocrisy, as others have said, I think someone is being economical with the truth here.

Funny how the Police won't do anything when drivers use their vehicle as a weapon. 

 

Also hope they are going to have a word with the driver of the burgundy car in the pic, looks like a close pass 

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hawkinspeter [1209 posts] 1 month ago
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Ush wrote:

I wonder do helmets make cyclists that wear them more aggressive?

During the summer (maybe a week or so in England) I sometimes get a hot-head whilst wearing a helmet.

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FluffyKittenofT... [1934 posts] 1 month ago
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Ush wrote:

I wonder do helmets make cyclists that wear them more aggressive?

 

Probably the hi-viz.  Being constantly clad in loud, angry colours perhaps has a tendency to make one loud and angry.  There's a reason why people are rarely beaten up by Goths.

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Bikebikebike [365 posts] 1 month ago
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It’s just wild prejudice, but this person has a helmet, a hi viz cover for her rucksack and is carrying tools. Just not the sort I would expect to go ape shit crazy for no reason , as is the driver’s story. 

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don simon [1713 posts] 1 month ago
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I'm outraged at this.

Helmet?

Hi viz?

These items need to be banned with immediate effect.

Also plod, take a good look at yourselves, no one was hurt, there were no witnesses and no recorded evidence. Just treat it in the same way you'd treat the victim of a close pass.

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