Video: TfL apologises to cyclist after bus driver calls him a “knob” following close pass

Insult thrown shortly after driver had cut in on cyclist – who caught incident on film - on Croydon High Street

by Simon_MacMichael   April 22, 2014  

119 bus in Croydon (4ChordsNoNet YouTube still)

Transport for London (TfL) has apologised to a cyclist after a female bus driver called him a “knob,” with the incident recorded on the rider’s helmet camera.

The incident, involving a number 119 bus operated by Metroland, took place on Katharine Street, Croydon, a little after 2pm on Saturday 12th April.

Footage uploaded to YouTube by user 4ChordsNoNet shows that the bus had cut in on him shortly beforehand on Croydon High Street.

Catching up with the bus, he stopped alongside the driver and asked: “Why did you overtake me there?”

The female driver replied: “I could get past you easy.”

“You were that close to me,” said the cyclist as he rode off.

As he did so, the driver shouted after him: “You know when you nearly killed the old bloke at the Swan & Sugar Loaf [a former pub in South Croydon – ed]? You knob.”

On the video, 4ChordsNoNet adds: “She knows that she’s being filmed, she’s in a liveried vehicle, yet she still decides to ‘have a go’ at me.”

In the ‘About’ section of the video’s page on YouTube, he says:

I contacted both TfL and the bus company direct with regard to this incident. The Depot manager came back the same day and confirmed that this standard falls far below what is expected of their drivers and that he would be speaking to the driver in question.

I am happy with this and have edited the video, blurring out the driver's face. The original video is now unlisted and will be deleted when I have heard back from TfL.

That reply from TfL read:

Thank you for your email of 15 April 2014 about a bus driver on route 119. I understand how you must have felt after this experience and appreciate your concern. Please accept my apologies.

The safety of our passengers and other road users is of paramount importance to us. It is essential that London's bus drivers promote a positive image of London Buses, as well as operating their bus safely and competently.

London's bus drivers receive comprehensive training which includes Customer Services and poor driving standards are unacceptable. In the instance you described, it would appear those training were not put into use. I have made Metrobus aware of your complaint and can assure you appropriate action will be taken.

I hope this incident does not change confidence in us and high standard you have always held our service. We work hard to maintain high standards and are confident the vast majority of London bus drivers do an excellent job. Passenger feedback is extremely valuable and I am grateful to you for bringing this to our attention.

In a reply to a comment to the video, 4ChordsNoNet said: “I've emailed the same depot before when I complimented one of their drivers on his exemplary driving, and I believe that they will take this incident seriously.

“I imagine that the depot manager will give them a right royal bollocking.”

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Neil753 wrote:
....where the cyclist has exacerbated the conflict by continuing to cycle level with the bus as the space becomes ever narrower.

When is a bus actually past you?

http://youtu.be/HggeqzUXd3A

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posted by Evo Lucas [8 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 14:23

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Joeinpoole wrote:
I'm saying that once the bus is clearly in front of you then, if you have any common sense, you should ride defensively and concede a little speed if necessary to ensure the overtaking manoeuvre is completed as quickly as practical.

Surely "clearly in front" is exactly what it says -- the whole bus, in front. Rather than "mostly alongside". If the bus driver can't pass something, anything, without having to pull back in while the something is still alongside, then they shouldn't have passed there.

posted by David Portland [88 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 14:36

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Evo Lucas wrote:
Neil753 wrote:
....where the cyclist has exacerbated the conflict by continuing to cycle level with the bus as the space becomes ever narrower.

When is a bus actually past you?

http://youtu.be/HggeqzUXd3A

That's clearly a far more extreme example of bad driving __ which the bus driver conceded and apologised for.

I thought you rode well there though, good anticipation and always in control of your bike. You also handled the situation much better than the ranting "Oi!" merchant of the subject video.

posted by Joeinpoole [238 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 14:51

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I note a long debate here about exactly what the cyclist should or should not have been doing. However. the central issue is that the bus driver has not driven in the way a professional in charge of a massive vehicle on London streets should conduct themselves - not least the verbal abuse given. That's why an official apology has been given.

What interests me is that this is highly unlikely to be the only time this happens - the vast majority of cyclists do not have helmet cameras, after all.

The first need is for better training and disciplining of bus drivers, as well as a close look at the regime governing health and safety with regard to buses in London. Do take a look at Tom Kearney's web site here - it is mainly about Oxford Street but also buses in London as a whole.

For the record, I reckon London bus drivers are far better than the average motorist - but they are in charge f a massive vehicle with massive lethal potential, so need appropriate regulation.

posted by ChairRDRF [118 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 15:50

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Evo Lucas wrote:
Neil753 wrote:
....where the cyclist has exacerbated the conflict by continuing to cycle level with the bus as the space becomes ever narrower.

When is a bus actually past you?

http://youtu.be/HggeqzUXd3A

I watched your vid, Evo. Yes, the bus driver was in the wrong, but I'm curious about why you, just like the other cyclist, seemed keen to ride at the same speed as the bus, preventing it from pulling back in.

I mean, what purpose does it serve?

And to be honest, maybe you should also ask yourself why you cycle so close to vehicles in front of you, why you fail to position yourself correctly when passing a stationary high sided vehicle, why you fail to stop at an amber light when your vid clearly shows that your brakes were good enough, why you fail to look behind you, and why you force a bus to come to an emergency stop in a postion that could present a hazard to other road users. Do you watch your own vids? Do you recognise the errors that I'm pointing out? I fear you don't, because you're trying to defend another errant cyclist, with a vid that shows you to be lacking a fair amount of care too.

Evo, you guys do a great job with your helmet cams, and catch some seriously dangerous driving, which has to be good news and I respect you for that, but maybe you could ride a little more defensively, so that at least some of these incidents can be avoided in the first place.

"Hey..... Let's be visible out there."

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posted by Neil753 [451 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 16:51

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Neil753 wrote:
... maybe you could ride a little more defensively, so that at least some of these incidents can be avoided in the first place.

Riding defensively doesn't avoid these incidents, it decreases the risk of the cyclist getting hurt in them. To avoid them, drivers should not pass if they cannot pull out and back in without the vehicle (in this case the cyclist) having to brake.

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posted by sim1515 [137 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 17:02

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Neil753 wrote:

.... seemed keen to ride at the same speed as the bus, preventing it from pulling back in... ...also why you cycle so close to vehicles in front of you, why you fail to position yourself correctly when passing a stationary high sided vehicle, why you fail to stop at an amber light when your vid clearly shows that your brakes were good enough, why you fail to look behind you, and why you force a bus to come to an emergency stop in a postion that could present a hazard to other road users.

Do you recognise the errors that I'm pointing out?.

Are you serious?

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posted by Evo Lucas [8 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 17:44

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I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision.

I think you've just invented a new rule of the road.

If you're overtaking in a vehicle, you do need to get the whole vehicle safely past a cyclist, not just part.

posted by HarrogateSpa [87 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 18:27

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Why should he have been forced to slow...yes he should of for his safety but at no time is it his responsibility that this situation occurred.

Loving the helmet cams now, next purchase I think.

And the apologies mean nothing if it's not from the individual that caused the problem. It's just a company doing the PR thing..it's worthless. Driver should be fined and get points for endangering a member of the public. Shame we got rid of the duelling law Cool

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posted by Cyclist [144 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 19:07

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Joeinpoole wrote:
I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision..

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If you cannot complete your manoeuvre in its entirety then it is not safe to initiate it. In the case of an overtake then there must be enough time and space for you to
1) Pull out in plenty of time, further back than YOUR thinking distance
2) Move past the vehicle being overtaken leaving a good safety margin
3) Pull ahead of the vehicle being overtaken so you don't cut in sharply taking THEIR thinking distance and then proceed pulling further ahead. All movements should be smooth and unhurried. If they're not then it's not safe!

I repeat, if you can't do this then it is NOT safe to overtake! Stay behind until it is safe. What is this bollocks about the bus being the lead vehicle. It was not the lead vehicle as it was alongside. It can only be the lead vehicle if it is clearly and unambiguously in front. i.e. When it has completed the overtake in its entirety!

Any more of this and there will be no jelly and ice-cream for tea! Big Grin

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22nd April 2014 - 19:20

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levermonkey wrote:
Joeinpoole wrote:
I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision..

Angry
If you cannot complete your manoeuvre in its entirety then it is not safe to initiate it. In the case of an overtake then there must be enough time and space for you to
1) Pull out in plenty of time, further back than YOUR thinking distance
2) Move past the vehicle being overtaken leaving a good safety margin
3) Pull ahead of the vehicle being overtaken so you don't cut in sharply taking THEIR thinking distance and then proceed pulling further ahead. All movements should be smooth and unhurried. If they're not then it's not safe!

I repeat, if you can't do this then it is NOT safe to overtake! Stay behind until it is safe. What is this bollocks about the bus being the lead vehicle. It was not the lead vehicle as it was alongside. It can only be the lead vehicle if it is clearly and unambiguously in front. i.e. When it has completed the overtake in its entirety!

That might be the ideal but you might as well accept that it is not always going to happen on busy city roads where conditions can change in seconds. The traffic well in front of the bus came to a halt at the junction forcing the bus to brake before the overtaking manoeuvre was complete. What about the pedestrian that stepped into the road in front of the cyclist? Should he have been given a loud "Oi!" too?

Racing after the bus, for several hundred yards, in order to remonstrate with the driver was utterly ridiculous. No wonder so many motorists hate 'lycra lout' cyclists. The video poster's behaviour on the roads, as evidenced by his own 600-odd videos on Youtube (so not an obsession then?) constitute a prime example of a lycra lout in action.

posted by Joeinpoole [238 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 20:15

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at which point you just come back to if you cannot complete your manoeuvre in its entirety then it is not safe to initiate it, the bus is still "overtaking" at speed as they approach a zebra crossing, I know its london but occasionally pedestrians do use them, because although the bus then blocks most of the view you just catch sight that it has a pedestrian island refuge in the middle of the road.

Thats why the bus comes back in so far and quickly, it has to retake the road space or else hit the road furniture or the cyclist, then again they could just have accepted that they misjudged the available space, made a mistake and just rolled off the speed,maybe used the brakes and shared the road Thinking

so its a badly planned overtake the changing traffic conditions make no difference to that, there was an obstacle and not enough space to complete a safe pass, and the video amply demonstrates the bus isnt going any faster than the bike anyway and the driver knows theyve got to stop by its very nature more so than any other vehicle in the city.

as for the 600 videos thing, in 2 years, is that obsessive or simply a reflection of the types of driving standards we generally see, most daily commuters generally get at least one close pass per trip, we just arent videoing them all.

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22nd April 2014 - 21:27

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Remind me, don't London buses kill or seriously injure on average 2 people a day in London ?
I think they could be driven with a lot more care and attention in my experience.

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22nd April 2014 - 22:03

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Joeinpoole wrote:

That might be the ideal but you might as well accept that it is not always going to happen on busy city roads where conditions can change in seconds. The traffic well in front of the bus came to a halt at the junction forcing the bus to brake before the overtaking manoeuvre was complete. What about the pedestrian that stepped into the road in front of the cyclist? Should he have been given a loud "Oi!" too?

Racing after the bus, for several hundred yards, in order to remonstrate with the driver was utterly ridiculous. No wonder so many motorists hate 'lycra lout' cyclists. The video poster's behaviour on the roads, as evidenced by his own 600-odd videos on Youtube (so not an obsession then?) constitute a prime example of a lycra lout in action.

I agree with Awavey, it's not that it's the ideal, it's written into the Highway Code (https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/overtaking-162-to-169) that before overtaking you should make sure "the road is sufficiently clear ahead" and "there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to overtake". The next Rule states (amongst other things) that "Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake; move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in; give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car".

If the traffic conditions are so changeable, shouldn't the bus driver just wait? If he can only pull up beside the cyclist, he is not gaining any kind of advantage by overtaking him, just performing a manoeuvre badly and pointlessly that could endanger another persons life.

Pedestrians who step onto the road without looking or considering a bike worth stopping for probably deserve to know it's dangerous, not too sure if "Oi" is the best phrase for that though.

I guess chasing after the driver can be taken two ways, that he was looking for trouble and an idiot or that he wanted to try and let the bus driver know it was a bad overtake and to think before doing it again. Everyone will have heard the quote by Burke ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing’, if we just let bad drivers continue to drive badly, that situation could happen to another person who is less comfortable with a bus driving next to them, or the driver may next time mis-judge it worse and have to swing over more to avoid road furniture. I guess at least this way, there is a chance that the driver may think twice before pulling the same overtake, especially after it was reported and posted on YouTube.

Si

posted by sim1515 [137 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 22:13

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Neil753 wrote:
The cyclist isn't blameless here. Ok, the driver made a mistake, but to deliberately carry on riding between the bus and the kerb, rather than just scrubbing off some speed, does indeed make the rider look like a knob, and a pretty dangerous knob at that.

Guys, this is the second "cyclist vs bus" vid you've highlighted recently, where the cyclist has exacerbated the conflict by continuing to cycle level with the bus as the space becomes ever narrower. It doesn't really help our cause to provide media exposure to people who seem keen to escalate a driver's error in this way.

It's the driver's duty to overtake safely. The driver failed. That's the problem here.

Yes, I'd have taken evasive action earlier by slowing, but the point is that there should be no need to do so!

posted by jacknorell [337 posts]
22nd April 2014 - 23:01

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Joeinpoole wrote:
I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision.

Where the bloody hell in any road traffic guidance do you find this recommendation?

The duty is on the passing vehicle, solely.

According to you, cutting in is just fine.

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22nd April 2014 - 23:04

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The fact that we have so many cyclists defending a bus driver's very poor overtake is astounding. Or that people are saying it's the cyclist's fault the bus had to [pick whatever excuse...] which endangered the cyclist.

You lot should know what a safe, and legal, overtaking maneouvre looks like.

After all, our lives may depend on it, or be lost due to a failure to execute one.

Those of you who thought there was no problem with the overtaking, please surrender your licenses?

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22nd April 2014 - 23:17

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jacknorell wrote:
Joeinpoole wrote:
I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision.

Where the bloody hell in any road traffic guidance do you find this recommendation?

The duty is on the passing vehicle, solely.

According to you, cutting in is just fine.

Yes, yes, yes. In the perfect world that you obviously inhabit nobody uses their mobile phones whilst driving ... and everybody obeys the speed limit ... and nobody makes minor misjudgements of the situation they find themselves in ... and *everything* is perfect really.

Unfortunately those aren't the roads that I drive on, where drivers *are* actually fallible, so therefore I *do* have to take allowance of that and moderate my own actions to take account of that.

There's no point in getting your knickers in a twist over that particular bus driver's minor infraction, when you have plenty of time to take avoiding action yourself. Just deal with it and ride on. Share the fucking road and stop being a cycling tosser who thinks you own the road and no other road user should *ever* cause you to apply your brakes.

posted by Joeinpoole [238 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 0:02

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The main reason I uploaded the video and complained to both Metrobus and TFL was not the overtake but her insult afterwards. I've been called a lot worse and just let it go, but a professional driver in a company vehicle, part funded out of my Council tax, should not act like that. After our 'chat' when I cycled off, if she'd said nothing more, the video probably would not have seen the light of day, but to lean out of the bus like that and shout as she did, I felt was not very professional.

I'm not perfect, no one is, I'm still learning at the age of 53, but if the same thing happened again I doubt that I'd do much different. I did slow down, I did apply my brakes, but was ready to pull up sharply if the need arises.

posted by 4ChordsNoNet [9 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 8:30

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Joeinpoole wrote:

Yes, yes, yes. In the perfect world that you obviously inhabit nobody uses their mobile phones whilst driving ... and everybody obeys the speed limit ... and nobody makes minor misjudgements of the situation they find themselves in ... and *everything* is perfect really.

Unfortunately those aren't the roads that I drive on, where drivers *are* actually fallible, so therefore I *do* have to take allowance of that and moderate my own actions to take account of that.

There's no point in getting your knickers in a twist over that particular bus driver's minor infraction, when you have plenty of time to take avoiding action yourself. Just deal with it and ride on. Share the fucking road and stop being a cycling tosser who thinks you own the road and no other road user should *ever* cause you to apply your brakes.

I think you may be trivialising the bad overtake by calling it a "minor infraction", I know no one is perfect but out of the first Rule I quoted, he ignored 2 out of three points, and on the second ignored at least 3. There's another Rule (167) which states amongst others: "DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down".

By ignoring those rules, forcing an overtake for no gain, the driver was putting the cyclists's life at risk, I suppose sometimes close or bad overtakes get people's knickers in a twist due to the near death experience, whether real or perceived.

If you can't see that the bus driver was in the wrong, dangerously so, then I guess your mind is clearly made up already. And if you can accept that it was dangerous, you can then probably understand why the guy chased after the bus to try and make that point.

4ChordsNoNet has stated it was more the insult afterwards so I guess a lot of this is moot. But if you say that people are fallible and make mistakes (which I agree with), if someone points one out to you, maybe just hold your hands up and say sorry instead of insulting them?

Si

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23rd April 2014 - 10:08

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So to sum up,

There are the professional drivers who seemingly disregard the Highway Code and Traffic Laws by stating that the cyclist is at fault as he did not allow the bus to complete a possibly dangerous overtake by not slowing down.

The rest of us who are constantly being reminded by the above lot about what the Highway Code say's i.e. red lights etc, maitain the bus driver's actions were wrong in accordance with the Highway Code.

The poor sod who took the footage and seemingly was more annoyed at being called a "knob" then the overtake.

And on another thread, UKBA are getting slammed for another persons cock-up.

Don't ya just love the net!

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23rd April 2014 - 10:30

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And summing up from the "other side".

I don't think anyone should be judging this driver too harshly. Sometimes feelings run a little high. Sure, she made a mistake, but she's being confronted with an aggressive cyclist who she's apparently seen nearly killing some old guy, and we can see from the vid that the cyclist is riding without much skill (clipping the apex of a right hand bend without a safety check, a close pass of a pedestrian, failure to use brakes, etc), so it's likely that she's been watching his behaviour too. I'm not surprised she called him a knob, even though she shouldn't have done so.

The thing is, if people stumble across this forum, watch the video, and then read all these comments that condemn the bus driver whilst refusing to acknowledge any of the poor cycling, then it just makes cyclists out to be an arrogant bunch of (dare I say it) knobs.

Road.cc, if you're going to run these contentious stories, at least check the video carefully to see if the cyclist is committing just as many errors as the driver they're trying to vilify, because if they are then it doesn't place us in a very good light.

"Hey..... Let's be visible out there."

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23rd April 2014 - 11:09

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Neil753 wrote:
And summing up from the "other side".

I don't think anyone should be judging this driver too harshly. Sometimes feelings run a little high. Sure, she made a mistake, but she's being confronted with an aggressive cyclist who she's apparently seen nearly killing some old guy, and we can see from the vid that the cyclist is riding without much skill (clipping the apex of a right hand bend without a safety check, a close pass of a pedestrian, failure to use brakes, etc), so it's likely that she's been watching his behaviour too. I'm not surprised she called him a knob, even though she shouldn't have done so.

The thing is, if people stumble across this forum, watch the video, and then read all these comments that condemn the bus driver whilst refusing to acknowledge any of the poor cycling, then it just makes cyclists out to be an arrogant bunch of (dare I say it) knobs.

Road.cc, if you're going to run these contentious stories, at least check the video carefully to see if the cyclist is committing just as many errors as the driver they're trying to vilify, because if they are then it doesn't place us in a very good light.

No matter how many errors a cyclist makes, there is no justification in endangering their life, that's the bottom line really. He could jump lights, ride on the pavement, weave through traffic etc, all bad riding and should be fined but it does not give anyone the right or excuse to pass them without being appropriately cautious.

The driver is a professional driver and should know how to overtake. Maybe they made a mistake (a dangerous one), but when confronted, they should have owned up to that mistake and not insulted the cyclist.

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23rd April 2014 - 11:19

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Joeinpoole wrote:
jacknorell wrote:
Joeinpoole wrote:
I thought I was alone in being unable to see "a close pass" in that video. The bus only began pulling back in when the front of it was well past the cyclist. At that point the bus was clearly the lead vehicle and it was the cyclist's responsibility to moderate his speed to avoid a collision.

Where the bloody hell in any road traffic guidance do you find this recommendation?

The duty is on the passing vehicle, solely.

According to you, cutting in is just fine.

Yes, yes, yes. In the perfect world that you obviously inhabit nobody uses their mobile phones whilst driving ... and everybody obeys the speed limit ... and nobody makes minor misjudgements of the situation they find themselves in ... and *everything* is perfect really.

Unfortunately those aren't the roads that I drive on, where drivers *are* actually fallible, so therefore I *do* have to take allowance of that and moderate my own actions to take account of that.

There's no point in getting your knickers in a twist over that particular bus driver's minor infraction, when you have plenty of time to take avoiding action yourself. Just deal with it and ride on. Share the fucking road and stop being a cycling tosser who thinks you own the road and no other road user should *ever* cause you to apply your brakes.

What a resoundingly stupid comment.

The point, that you clearly seem to be missing, is the overtake was unsafe, it should never have been made in the first instance.

By your logic you wouldn't mind at all if you got carved up on every round about or had the front of your car clipped by a driver making a "small infraction", maybe you wouldn't mind if your children got run over by a motorist that was driving a little bit too fast and couldn't stop, I guess you'd just "deal with it"?

Get your head out your arse.

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posted by chrisp1973 [57 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 12:31

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Neil753 wrote:
but she's being confronted with an aggressive cyclist who she's apparently seen nearly killing some old guy,

And your evidence for this is...what, exactly?

Personally, in the absence of any other evidence, it sounds to me like the usual collective blame rubbish that too many motorists love so much. The guy could, with the same logic, shout back "what about the nearly 2000 people you killed last year!".

posted by FluffyKittenofT... [657 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 12:44

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I can only say I think both Joeinpoole's novel idea for a new highway code rule ("once your bumper is 1cm ahead of that of the vehicle you are overtaking you are entitled to sideswipe them off the road and its their fault for not screeching to a halt fast enough") and Neil753's comments are entirely mistaken.

I do, though, feel oddly amused at the mildness of the bus-driver's choice of epiphet. Not the greatest driver ever, but doesn't sound like vulgarity comes naturally to her. White van man would have used a stronger term, I reckon.

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23rd April 2014 - 12:49

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Neil753 wrote:
you force a bus to come to an emergency stop in a postion that could present a hazard to other road users.

This seems to be placing all the blame for the consequence of a crap overtake on the cyclist, not the driver, and it sounds dangerously close to 'might is right'.

If a similar overtake/pull in manoeuvre were performed with two cars/trucks/buses whatever I doubt many people would argue that the 'overtakee' had 'forced' the overtaker into an emergency stop.

That said, while being unwilling to be bullied out of the way is not necessarily a bad thing, you do need to know when to let it go.

posted by Chuck [364 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 12:54

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Something tells me that there are a fair few people here who'll also say that this close pass by a bus was because I failed to do an emergency stop as soon as they got 1cm in front of me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HVwib1HWpk

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23rd April 2014 - 14:14

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Headline news,

And today, another bus driver was pulled dead from underneath a road bike after a cyclist in overtook the bus. Witnesses claim the bus was going too quickly for the cyclist to keep on so the cyclist ran the bus down whilst turning left. The driver family say he was a "lovely person, loved by everyone and will be much missed." Both police and bus companies say that the senseless killings for just a few seconds must stop.

In another part of the country, a car driver was killed in a hit and run involving a time trial bike. The time trail bike failled to stop at the scene and was last seen heading towards Wigan. This was in the same spot where Sir Bradley Wiggins pulled out of a garage forecourt on his road bike and ran over a Porsche. The Porsche driver still suffers from those injuries. Police are appealling for any witnesses. Traces of sky blue and black lycra were found at the scene. But they will not say if the two incidents are linked.

Meanwhile on the M25, there was a 15 bicycle pile up after one was seen swerving as it's rear tyre blew out. The road was closed for several hours as the ambulance trykes had difficulty reaching the scene and carbon fibre had to be cleared away. No serious injuries were reported but a cyclist was seen screaming about the smashed BMW that was on the back of his bike. Another was seen sobbing into his Rapha water bottle which had lost it's bottom. Footage of the crash, taken by cyclists on the opposite side slowing down to have look, is all over You Tube. Police say this dangerous a repeat the request that cyclists don't slow down if they are on the other side of such busy roads. Also anyone seen using a mobile phone whilst cycling will be dealt with.

posted by Yorkshie Whippet [289 posts]
23rd April 2014 - 16:03

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I'm coming round to the idea of helmet cams on bikes, and in some situations, posting on youtube if the behavior is particularly dangerous or illegal

But stuff like this ('she called me a knob after i caught her up to have a go at her when she passed me too close for my liking'!) just brings it into disrepute I feel and compromises legitimate, serious safety concerns. 'We' (cyclists) will just be seen as whinging, antagonistic & uncompromising - especially if you read some of the comments on here - as Neil753 has also observed.

The pass wasn't particularly close, it's a busy urban environment where you're likely to have to start/ stop all the time. Even cyclists have to do this! So I don't think this was anything to get exercised about. If you reckon that's close and are so outraged, I really would not recommend cycling in a town or city. Ever!

posted by 700c [556 posts]
25th April 2014 - 14:39

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