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Discuss. I for one, think that is taking the piss.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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It is already being discussed here http://road.cc/content/forum/115390-gent-wevelgem-flanders-fields no need for another thread

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Nothing to discuss really is there. Some people have cheated. End of.

Poor. Very poor.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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chiv30 wrote:
Gkam84 wrote:

It is already being discussed here http://road.cc/content/forum/115390-gent-wevelgem-flanders-fields no need for another thread

Tbh I think it should be discussed in it's own thread at least then everyone will be aware that various people have cheated including those who run some of the games....

Poor form really especially considering a big company like wiggle has it's name associated with a game that has been paid for by some people and yet tolerates blatant cheating

Couldn't agree more chiv30. It's a disgrace.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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NO-ONE has cheated at all. You cannot cheat in this game.

There was a mix up in the server timing because of the change to UK clocks. So the stage was still open once the race began.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Couldn't agree more chiv30.

There is only one fair way of doing this and that is to set the teams back to the time the race started.

It deserves its own thread so that people see it.

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chiv30 [986 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

It is already being discussed here http://road.cc/content/forum/115390-gent-wevelgem-flanders-fields no need for another thread

Tbh I think it should be discussed in it's own thread at least then everyone will be aware that various people have cheated including those who run some of the games....

Poor form really especially considering a big company like wiggle has it's name associated with a game that has been paid for by some people and yet tolerates blatant cheating

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

NO-ONE has cheated at all. You cannot cheat in this game.

There was a mix up in the server timing because of the change to UK clocks. So the stage was still open once the race began.

You have cheated Gkam84. You and your merry band who saw it happen last year and decided to take full advantage of it.

That was a conscious decision on your parts to put riders in your teams who started out in a breakaway, therefore gaining an unfair advantage.

Funnily enough the dictionary defines cheating as gaining an unfair advantage.

This has implications on today's races, and for the rest of the season too.

Do the decent thing.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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I only noticed it after it was posted on the forum. For everyone to see. I honestly don't remember it happening last season. But if there was a race on the day that the times changed, it most likely did happen.

There was NO cheating, to cheat, you would need to hack the game somehow, it was open for everyone.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Like I said, the only decent thing is to reset teams to when the race started.

Some people have received an unfair advantage, and there is not one who can have chosen people in a break after the race had started who didn't know that this was cheating (given the deadline is always before the race starts), which the vast majority of subscribers didn't do.

It's plain wrong.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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ajmarshal1 wrote:

Ah, the old 'exploiting a loophole available to everyone' excuse.

Cheating. This is why I didn't bother this season.

Yep.

Leaves a really sour taste. We may as well get Lance involved.

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ajmarshal1 [403 posts] 1 year ago
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Ah, the old 'exploiting a loophole available to everyone' excuse.

Cheating. This is why I didn't bother this season.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Wonder what the competition rules mention about the race deadlines?

I would look but it appears to be stuck, obviously knows there's been cheating happening.

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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I have been getting a 'Please wait, we are updating the game' for a couple of hours now. And your link does the same thing. Both on my PC and my phone.

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chiv30 [986 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

I only noticed it after it was posted on the forum. For everyone to see. I honestly don't remember it happening last season. But if there was a race on the day that the times changed, it most likely did happen.

There was NO cheating, to cheat, you would need to hack the game somehow, it was open for everyone.

Did you really just say you need to hack the game to cheat?  40

We are all adults and as we all know any exploitation of a game mechanic be it server clock error or hacking a server is cheating , yes one is available to everyone and the other is doable to a few ppl with the right it knowledge but both amount to the same thing.....an unfair advantage in a game based on rider knowledge and luck.

You weren't the only person to do it as most of us who use the forum realise but I agree with joel . Timestamps will indicate when team changes were made and anyone who did it should just have their team scores reset to the team prior to race start .

Or for true punishment ,which surprisingly I don't advocate, have this race score count as zero if found to have cheated

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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All are stuck. Updating.

Just cleared my cache and that hasn't helped either.

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chiv30 [986 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

What is stuck? http://fantasy.road.cc/rules and here http://fantasy.road.cc/howto

For the record I'm getting the currently updating msg as well both from your link and my own bookmark

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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chiv30 wrote:

Timestamps will indicate when team changes were made and anyone who did it should just have their team scores reset to the team prior to race start .

What he said.

Easy.

Job done.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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Joelsim wrote:

I have been getting a 'Please wait, we are updating the game' for a couple of hours now. And your link does the same thing. Both on my PC and my phone.

Just running the update again, I think it may have jammed up

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drheaton [3318 posts] 1 year ago
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Some of the ideas being bandied around are sadly unrealistic. There are some people who will have legitimately made transfers after the race started without realising or without seeking to gain advantage and to reset everyone to their teams at the point the race started would unfairly affect them.

Likewise there may also be someone who honestly brought in one of the break after the race started without knowing it. It would not be fair to penalise them but its also impossible to weed those people out from those who made transfers to gain an advantage.

Sadly I don't think that there are any ways to sort this out without affecting people who genuinely made transfers without trying to gain advantage.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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No-one gaining an advantage in the top 10. How do I know.

Go here, click on the team name and you can see all the transfers

http://fantasy.road.cc/leagues?action=show&lid=0&rgid=0&sid=7507&ldtid=3...

There are three solutions to this.

Dave might be able to do a roll back, which is fine for me, because I will actually score more points.

The race can be void and everyone can have 0 points

It can be left as it.

There is nothing in the game for giving individual teams 0 points while leaving others alone.

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northstar [1108 posts] 1 year ago
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The posted transfer deadline was available to all way before, reset them to this, problem solved.

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 1 year ago
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Huge can of worms all over the spring classics today!  7

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 1 year ago
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northstar wrote:

The posted transfer deadline was available to all way before, reset them to this, problem solved.

The problem is, the deadline didn't change at all. The clocks did. So a roll back, won't work

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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Wig_Billy has made a killing.

Luckily most that I have looked at don't seem to have noticed. It's not difficult to see those that have.

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enrique [2255 posts] 1 year ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

... a roll back, won't work

Why don't you assign yourself a 50 point penalty or have Dave do it?  1

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Joelsim [1963 posts] 1 year ago
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chiv30 wrote:
drheaton wrote:

Some of the ideas being bandied around are sadly unrealistic. There are some people who will have legitimately made transfers after the race started without realising or without seeking to gain advantage and to reset everyone to their teams at the point the race started would unfairly affect them.

Likewise there may also be someone who honestly brought in one of the break after the race started without knowing it. It would not be fair to penalise them but its also impossible to weed those people out from those who made transfers to gain an advantage.

Sadly I don't think that there are any ways to sort this out without affecting people who genuinely made transfers without trying to gain advantage.

I'n all fairness everyone knew when the "official" deadline was as we had been counting it down for at least 24 hrs , Anyone who made a transfer after that should be re scored based on the team at the official race start irrelevant if they realised or not ,tbh most people who would have changed their team would have been aware of what they were doing imo

It's not difficult to see those who have done it just by looking at the transfers.

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chiv30 [986 posts] 1 year ago
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drheaton wrote:

Some of the ideas being bandied around are sadly unrealistic. There are some people who will have legitimately made transfers after the race started without realising or without seeking to gain advantage and to reset everyone to their teams at the point the race started would unfairly affect them.

Likewise there may also be someone who honestly brought in one of the break after the race started without knowing it. It would not be fair to penalise them but its also impossible to weed those people out from those who made transfers to gain an advantage.

Sadly I don't think that there are any ways to sort this out without affecting people who genuinely made transfers without trying to gain advantage.

I'n all fairness everyone knew when the "official" deadline was as we had been counting it down for at least 24 hrs , Anyone who made a transfer after that should be re scored based on the team at the official race start irrelevant if they realised or not ,tbh most people who would have changed their team would have been aware of what they were doing imo

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northstar [1108 posts] 1 year ago
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Ok, all transfers involving riders who were in the break after the ride/race started removed? (if that can be done of course)

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simon F [993 posts] 1 year ago
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What a load of bollocks. It's just a game. If a few people got a small advantage in a competition that lasts for months, really who cares. Some people will have made legitimate transfers close to the deadline - how will you separate them out from your revenge? What's the prize - a pair of sunglasses. Not really worth this amount of arguing, especially if whoever wins them didn't make any disputed transfers

Meanwhile, and more importantly, when are we going to get the Volta Catalunya final scores - I really want to know how far I fell in the FS league.

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