[Hirsute]

At the in laws and when shopping by car (yeah, I know). Drove over walton bridge to find myself held up by cyclists !
The thing is the bridge is quite new and the shared pavement is not only very wide but also very smooth.
There seems no reason not to use it apart from ‘I don’t have to’ which is not very compelling in this situation.
I just thought it was an interesting perspective that I rarely get.

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[Nick T]

Perhaps, but it’s not obvious

Perhaps, but it’s not obvious from one side of the bridge what infrastructure awaits you at the other

[Hirsute]

As I said, you either end up
As I said, you either end up on the roundabout with an easy exit or the traffic lights which you may have to wait for them to be red to rejoin.
If you join from the roundabout end, it is easy to take either path.

[HoarseMann]

hirsute wrote:

hirsute wrote:

Hmmmm Is there any cycle path that will satisfy the posters of roadcc ?

 

[Awavey]

yes, ones that are actually

yes, ones that are actually of benefit to cyclists and dont put extra obstacles in our way, its not a big ask really the dutch seem to cope building them, but in the UK there seems barely any thought that goes into them or how they link up or how you are supposed to ride them.

this bridge seems a classic example theres nothing repeating or reinforcing the message on that bridge that says hey cyclists you can actually ride on this pavement bit away from the awful traffic on the road, it just looks like a pavement

and the entry and exits look to be blink and you miss them from google maps,and if you missed them, thats it theres no other chance to get on them why isnt there at least a  10ft section of dropped kerb as you get on the bridge with a clear cycle lane indication directing you both on and off the the path safely ?

because of course even if you did use the path on the bridge what happens at the other end, well the path just stops, and then you have to get back on the road hoping for a gap big enough to cover you from a standing start, and not having to try a stage finish sprint effort to get back up to speed possibly crossing multiple lanes trying to get to where you want.

 

[Hirsute]

Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Is there any cycle path that will satisfy the posters of roadcc ?

[Organon]

I’ve been shouted at for not

I’ve been shouted at for not using a mixed use path… that is on the opposite side of the road, and requires me to cross traffic twice and weave around pedestrians use it often.

Here you go, northbound: https://www.strava.com/segments/4870132

Takes about 2 minutes, but dickhead wants to overtake at a traffic island.

[HoarseMann]

hirsute wrote:

hirsute wrote:

It is signposted and easily joined from the small roundabout and from the traffic lights.

Only easy if you know it’s there.

If you are concentrating on traffic on a roundabout, it’s easy to miss dropped kerbs to join cycle paths. They’re usually not easy to join from the road either – being primarily designed to facilitate where a cycle path crosses the road at right angles.

There’s been many a time when riding in an unfamiliar area I’ve thought, oh, that would have been a nice bike path. But I’d already missed the dropped kerb and not easy to stop in traffic to lug bike over kerb and verge.

[AlsoSomniloquism]

I thought it was 15mph. It is

I thought it was 15mph. It is what I use as maximum if on shared. 

I’ve been on shared use that looks smooth but turns out isn’t.  It is suprising actually how smooth they get roads compared to pavements and shared use although the latter is only noticable when riding a non-suspension bike. Of course if you have used it and it is like cycling on the road then that throws that theory out of the window. 

[EddyBerckx]

If it’s not signposted well,
If it’s not signposted well, if it’s hard to get on to, if you have to divert and come to a near stop to get on it and all the above for getting off…then no ‘faster’ cyclists or group will use it – add minutes to your journey for a 100 foot stretch of road (slight exaggeration…unless you have to wait for a space in the traffic when getting back on the road – no one will stop and give way to a mere cyclist)

[Nick T]

And back
 

And back

 

[Nick T]

Here we go, out..
 

Here we go, out..

 

[m.a.t.t.]

In that case then I would

In that case then I would absolutely agree that the shared pavement is both a more suitable and more prudent choice. I agree on the recommendation being too high – if we compare that to a pensioner who may be walking less than 2mph then this is 10 times their speed. It is far too big a difference to be safe in any way.

[Hirsute]

Recreational cyclists not
Recreational cyclists not going very quickly.
I believe the highways recommendation is 18 mph for shared use, although I would consider that too fast (there were no pedestrians around when I was there).

[Hirsute]

“was held up by a queue of
“was held up by a queue of cars.” Lol

[Hirsute]

It is signposted and easily
It is signposted and easily joined from the small roundabout and from the traffic lights.

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