[Laingy2020]

Hi all I know a simple google search will bring up the current prices of the mentioned groupset. My question is what can I reasonably hope to obtain theses groupsets for? Thanks

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[quiff]

When I was buying my first

When I was buying my first ‘serious’ bike and actually had a choice of groupset, I found it very difficult to test the options from the various manufacturers, so the choice was ubiquitous Ultegra (a safe bet, same manufacturer as I’d had on my entry level bike, and which was easy to test ride in a shop) or take a risk on something I’d never actually used. In the end I took a punt on SRAM Force and don’t regret it, but I wish it was easier to try the various manufacturers’ offerings when they form such a major part of the user experience. I’ve only used Campag once – Chrous 10 speed on a hire bike in Majorca. It was glorious to look at and to use – loved the mechanical clunk of dropping multiple cogs via the tumbshifter when cresting a hill, and I found the hoods very comfy. But then Shimano Claris would probably feel glorious in Majorca too.      

[Laingy2020]

Always been a bit ignorant
Always been a bit ignorant when its come to campagnolo. Genuinely believed it was all about looks rather than function. That might be down to the popularity of shimano in the uk.

Denfitnely had my head turned in the past week. I wont opt for the 12 speed as I really dont see that offering 300 pounds worth of benefit.

[Laingy2020]

Thanks Chris. The more I read
Thanks Chris. The more I read it does seem to be that potenza is a genuine competitor for ultegra just not with the commercial success.

I’ve placed the order for the frame now and have most of the finishing kit, I’ll put the money from selling my current bike towards a campagnolo groupset. Upgrading from tiagra to chorus I’m sure I’ll be amazed even whilst getting used to the hand position. Thanks

[Chris Hayes]

Cutting to the chase, if

Cutting to the chase, if money is no object then buy the Chorus groupset.  You will never look at a bike with Ultegra or Dura Ace on it and be envious I promise you…..and no one will ever question your decision to furnish your Cinelli with a Campag groupset…

[srchar]

How do you want to measure it

How do you want to measure it?  In terms of weight and materials, yes Potenza ~ Ultegra. IMHO, in terms of ergonomics, Ultegra is nowhere near as good as Potenza, but that’s because I hate flappy brake levers and like feedback.  Shimano don’t really make anything that’s the equal of even Chorus, in terms of materials.

Is Chorus worth the extra £350? I’d say mmm-yes-probably. Chorus and up has Ultrashift, which can multi-shift gears in both directions. The best thing about this isn’t that you can get your sprint on a second or two earlier, but that you can drop from the big to the small ring while simultaneously shifting multiple gears on the cassette to end up in exactly the same gear ratio. All with a flick of the thumbs.

Is 12 speed worth the extra £300? Don’t know, haven’t tried it.

[Laingy2020]

Thank you, as mentioned on a
Thank you, as mentioned on a previous post is potenza really an equivalent for ultegra? Price of potenza is great at the minute but chorus is a lot more pleasing on the eye.

Finding it hard to cut through the reviews of campag and shimano, seems to be some tribalism when it comes to favourite groupsets and that hinders the reviews.

[srchar]

You’re building a Cinelli,

You’re building a Cinelli, yes? Cross Ultegra off your list.

Chorus disc 11 speed: £1000

Chorus disc 12 speed: £1300

Or… Potenza disc, which is the Ultegra equivalent, being made of aluminium rather than carbon fibre: £650

Those prices are from bikesy.co.uk.

Still some bargains to be had on 11-speed components on the usual continental websites – this from bike24:

 

[Chris Hayes]

Potenza then – it comes in

Potenza then – it comes in silver or black…. and you could always upgrade the chainset at some point (it’s arguably the least aesthetically pleasing of the range)…

Best of luck.  Post some pictures.

[Laingy2020]

Simply too much choice. I
Simply too much choice. I would love to set the bike up truly Italian but the cmapags extra price seems to be for cosmetic and prestige from the reviews I’ve read.

105 is always praised as the best value for money groupset but for me out of the 105 and ultegra I’d just spend the extra 100 gbp.

Absolute mine fleid.

[Chris Hayes]

This is an interesting one.

This is an interesting one.  The assumption with Ultegra vs Chorus is that both are second tier groupsets and are therefore equivalent.  A quick look at their respective RRPs and ‘sales’ prices however shows a 30%+ difference – with Ultegra at GBP 600-650 and Chorus somewhere in the GBP 950 – 1000 range (so as expensive as Dura Ace).   Campagnolo will tell you that Potenza is the Ultegra equivalent – but they would because they want Ultegra money for their third tier groupset…

You’ll get chapter and verse on here as to why this is, but this pricing differential also holds for eBay prices too… They’re both great groupsets (I – stupidly and for historical reasons – have both – but with rim brakes)…. Ultegra replacement parts are cheaper too, if your bike is going to be a work-horse. 

I could be provocative and say why, if you’re going to put a Japanese groupset on an Italian frame, not put on 105 at circa GPB 400….? It’s as good as Ultegra… 

[Laingy2020]

That’s my hope rich. Always
That’s my hope rich. Always been put off by campags extra premium but their kit is beautiful aesthetically.

[Richbeck]

If you are putting on that
If you are putting on that Cinelli frame, then it needs to be Campag!

[Nick T]

Perhaps wait until October

Perhaps wait until October and see if the price drops before then? My crystal ball is playing up unfortunately 

[Laingy2020]

I wish that it was as simple
I wish that it was as simple as that.

Wiggle have recently added roughly a 100 pound to their rim brake ultegra groupset

I haven’t been shopping around long and was hoping an experienced rider with his finger on the pulse might tell me whether the current prices are inflated by the rise in bike popularity since lockdown commenced.

I’ve got until October to replace my current bike so I have the time to sit and shop if it’s likely to prove beneficial.

[mike the bike]

Probably for the current
Probably for the current prices?

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