[11waterloo]

Bahrain won’t win GC, so why not pick either Mader or Padun who, on current form, would almost guarantee stage wins? In the words of Roy Orbison ‘It’s A Mystery To Me.’

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[Aragonite]

Alpecin-Fenix sold us a dummy

Alpecin-Fenix sold us a dummy there. But who cares with Cav winning so easily. One of the great comebacks in any sport. Another four wins to beat Eddy’s record in this Tour of fairytales.

[Sniffer]

While it is all moot, Ewan

While it is all moot, Ewan will be listed today as DNS.  Presumably if he had made a Lazarus like recovery he could have continued.

[11waterloo]

That seems logical. 

That seems logical. 

[Rendel Harris]

wycombewheeler wrote:

If they were in a bunch it would be very hard to open up a 1s gap, as it would require a daylight break between riders somewhere in the bunch.

Are we talking about the leader and second place being alone at the finish of a stage? Strange two person breakaway to form.

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OK, more realistic situation, the leader is sick or injured on the last day, getting worse and worse and as the peleton (containing his one second down rival) approaches the 3km he knows he won’t be able to hang onto them, so as soon as they pass the 3km marker he engineers a fall or a mechanical to ensure he finishes in the same time as the second placed rider.

[Sniffer]

wycombewheeler wrote:

 

seems a bit moot, much more likely for the rider to nurse himself and his bike over the last km or 2 and then decide overnight theat they can’t continue, than to be unable to cover that small distance but then somehow be in a condition to race the following day.

I agree.

[wycombewheeler]

Sniffer wrote:

Finish 2.6.027 In the case of a duly noted incident in the last three kilometres of a road race stage, the rider or riders affected shall be credited with the time of the rider or riders in whose company they were riding at the moment of the incident. His or their placing shall be determined by the order in which he or they actually cross the finishing line.UCI CYCLING REGULATIONS E100621 ROAD RACES 64 Is considered as an incident, any event independent from the physical capacity of the rider (fall, mechanical problem, puncture) and his will of remaining with the riders in whose company he was riding at the moment of the incident. Riders affected by an incident are asked to make themselves known to a commissaire by rising their hand and report to a commissaire after the finish of the stage. If, as the result of a duly noted fall in the last three kilometres, a rider cannot cross the finishing line, he shall be placed last in the stage and credited with the time of the rider or riders in whose company he was riding at the time of the fall. This article shall not apply where the finish is at the top of a hill-climb. Decisions related to this article are taken independently by the commissaires’ panel.

From the UCI Regs.  Couldn’t find a statement about starting the next stage though.  I suspect the Commissaires’ Panel will have discretion.
 

seems a bit moot, much more likely for the rider to nurse himself and his bike over the last km or 2 and then decide overnight theat they can’t continue, than to be unable to cover that small distance but then somehow be in a condition to race the following day.

[wycombewheeler]

Rendel Harris wrote:

I’ve always wondered what would happen if a rider went into the final stage with a one second advantage over another who was a far better sprinter and likely to be able to open a one second plus gap on his rival, if they were together as they entered the final 3km it would be to the leader’s advantage to contrive a fall, thus receiving the same time as his rival and winning the overall. I know it’s like a 155 break in snooker, never likely to happen, but an interesting speculation.

If they were in a bunch it would be very hard to open up a 1s gap, as it would require a daylight break between riders somewhere in the bunch.

Are we talking about the leader and second place being alone at the finish of a stage? Strange two person breakaway to form.

[Rendel Harris]

11waterloo wrote:

I must admit that I am now less sure as to whether Ewan would have been allowed to start,if fit, given that he didn’t cross the finish line. It was implied when he was given the same time as the winners (as per the 3k rule) but I don’t know the actual rule.

Fairly sure a rider has to have covered the full length of a stage to be counted as having completed it and so allowed to start the next day – otherwise you could theoretically end up with a situation where the winner of the Tour had ridden fewer kilometres than the other riders.

[Sniffer]

Finish 2.6.027 In the case of

Finish 2.6.027 In the case of a duly noted incident in the last three kilometres of a road race stage, the rider or riders affected shall be credited with the time of the rider or riders in whose company they were riding at the moment of the incident. His or their placing shall be determined by the order in which he or they actually cross the finishing line.UCI CYCLING REGULATIONS E100621 ROAD RACES 64 Is considered as an incident, any event independent from the physical capacity of the rider (fall, mechanical problem, puncture) and his will of remaining with the riders in whose company he was riding at the moment of the incident. Riders affected by an incident are asked to make themselves known to a commissaire by rising their hand and report to a commissaire after the finish of the stage. If, as the result of a duly noted fall in the last three kilometres, a rider cannot cross the finishing line, he shall be placed last in the stage and credited with the time of the rider or riders in whose company he was riding at the time of the fall. This article shall not apply where the finish is at the top of a hill-climb. Decisions related to this article are taken independently by the commissaires’ panel.

From the UCI Regs.  Couldn’t find a statement about starting the next stage though.  I suspect the Commissaires’ Panel will have discretion.
 

[11waterloo]

I must admit that I am now

I must admit that I am now less sure as to whether Ewan would have been allowed to start,if fit, given that he didn’t cross the finish line. It was implied when he was given the same time as the winners (as per the 3k rule) but I don’t know the actual rule.

[Rendel Harris]

11waterloo wrote:

Apparently if you crash in last 3km (on stages where 3k rule is in place), you no longer have to physically cross the finish line to count. You are given the same time as the group you were in, hence Sagan & Ewan being given +0.00 despite Sagan coming 80th and Ewan being taken away in an ambulance.

But you still have to cross the finish line to remain in the race, is that right? So if Caleb made a miraculous recovery overnight (sadly not going to happen, obviously) he still couldn’t take his place amongst the starters tomorrow? I remember years ago (can’t recall the exact year) on the Champs Elysses the commentator said that the leader was now the winner of the race as he was inside the 3km and Sean Kelly corrected him, saying that if the leader had a crash which prevented him crossing the finish line he’d still be out.

I’ve always wondered what would happen if a rider went into the final stage with a one second advantage over another who was a far better sprinter and likely to be able to open a one second plus gap on his rival, if they were together as they entered the final 3km it would be to the leader’s advantage to contrive a fall, thus receiving the same time as his rival and winning the overall. I know it’s like a 155 break in snooker, never likely to happen, but an interesting speculation.

[Condor Andy]

Yeah I knew the 3km rule, but

Yeah I knew the 3km rule, but didn’t realise you could abandon and still count as a finisher. Anyway, he technically gets last place, which is handy for Ewan owners. Hope he and Haig get well soon.

[11waterloo]

Apparently if you crash in

Apparently if you crash in last 3km (on stages where 3k rule is in place), you no longer have to physically cross the finish line to count. You are given the same time as the group you were in, hence Sagan & Ewan being given +0.00 despite Sagan coming 80th and Ewan being taken away in an ambulance.

[Condor Andy]

Always find situations like

Always find situations like this confusing. Ewan is listed as the last finisher despite not actually finishing.

[Sniffer]

I had Barthe for stage 1&2,

I had Barthe for stage 1&2, but not for Stage 3.

Goes with my pick of Swift for the Stage 1 break.  He made it, but didn’t score a single point with the break swept up before the intermediate sprint.

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