[the little onion]

I’m just following the news from the sentencing of Paul Doyle for injuring 130 people when he drove his car into the official parade for Liverpool FC winning the Premier League:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8xd97z0k00t

The rationale for the incident is not terrorism, paranoid delusions, or anything else like that. It is simply that he was frustrated with other people being on the road, slowing his journey, so he decided to drive into them. Nothing more than the idea that me and my car have more rights than anyone else, and therefore everyone else should get out of the way. Even if it means repeatedly driving into a crowd full of people of all ages, from infants in prams to pensioners.

This is natural conclusion of motornormativity in our society.

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[David9694]

Aren’t we in Adjustment

Aren’t we in Adjustment Disorder territory with cases like this? 

[David9694]

see also 

see also 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/national/25713313.driver-killed-man-hurt-others-christmas-day-rampage-guilty-murder/

[HoarseMann]

One thing that struck me

One thing that struck me about this case, is his driving was reckless well before the main incident occurred. They showed dashcam footage from his vehicle of him running red lights, speeding, overtaking cars that had stopped to let people cross at a pedestrian crossing, nearly running those people over.

I’m not willing accept his driving that day was a one-off either. I suspect this is typical of his standard of driving. I wonder if he’d previously close-passed a cyclist, or had other examples of his bad driving submitted to OpSnap. It would be interesting to find out if earlier opportunities to curtail his behaviour had been missed. 

[Rendel Harris]

Secret_squirrel wrote:

Rendel Harris wrote:

And if he doesn’t behave inside and so has to serve the full term sentenced he’ll be released with no ban at all.

Source?  On the face of it you comment doesnt make sense.  Plus he’ll be 70+ when he gets out.

He’s been banned for 16 years 10 months, a period which began as soon as he was sentenced; this time is calculated so that if he is released on parole after serving 50% of his sentence (10 years 9 months), as is standard, he will serve a six year driving ban upon release. However, if his behaviour in prison is bad enough that he doesn’t pass his parole board and has to serve the full sentence inside the ban will expire before his release and he’ll be allowed to drive as soon as he’s out (subject, presumably, to the usual extended retest).

[Spangly Shiny]

You mention militay brawling

You mention militay brawling as if it is some sort of endemic condition of military life. I can assure you that it is not, at least not in my 25 year experience.

[chrisonabike]

But if that is such a factor
But if that is such a factor why ever have prison plus a ban? Surely the key time for keeping people on the straight and narrow is just after they get out (and will need a job)?

(Yes, I know that would imply even more joined up thinking and consistency…)

[Secret_squirrel]

The Secret Barrister has an

The Secret Barrister has a really good explanation of why there arent more permanent bans on BSky/Twitter.

Basically its indirect Motornormativity at work.   Possessing a driving license has been shown to be a strong aid to rehabilitation – which is the main aim for post prison life.

[Secret_squirrel]

Rendel Harris wrote:

And if he doesn’t behave inside and so has to serve the full term sentenced he’ll be released with no ban at all.

Source?  On the face of it you comment doesnt make sense.  Plus he’ll be 70+ when he gets out.

[Aluminium can]

Of course he will behave like
Of course he will behave like a good boy behind bars and therefore be released early. It’s not possible for him to drive dangerously in prison, is it?

[hawkinspeter]

the little onion wrote:

the little onion wrote:

Now he has been sentenced to 21.5 years behind bars.

 

BUT
 

Only gets a 3 year driving ban, once he is out!! FFS!!

That’s an insult to the people that he injured – why on earth would the public ever want him to hold a driving license again?

[Mr Blackbird]

I just can’t imagine what was
I just can’t imagine what was going through his head. Rage and panic?
And yes almost certainly a symptom of motor normality combined with the “I want it and I want it now!” attitude that seems to prevail in society these days.
TBH I think the sentence was slightly harsh – although I couldn’t see if there was a minimum recommended term.
Nobody was killed (amazingly)
I do not think his actions were on a par with cold premeditated murder.(I can’t help but think of the case a few years ago when some travellers got 8 years, increased to 16 for killing a policeman by dragging him behind a car for about a mile, after he interrupted a theft – although it wasn’t premeditated and the policeman was entangled by accident, the travellers were fully aware of what was happening and didn’t stop)
I can’t help wonder what his sentence would have been if he was held up by a cycling sportive rather than a crowd associated with football (a huge, popular commercial juggernaut). What part did public and tabloid opinion play in the sentencing?

[chrisonabike]

Mustn’t remove the
Mustn’t remove the possibility of rehabilitation, innit?

Noting a couple of outbreaks of slightly-more-than-usual military brawling (but press haven’t dug up anything else) but the fact he did the route earlier but didn’t go haywire, yet was reported to have started losing it on the second trip even before he got into the crowd…

…I wonder whether they’ve had him to the medics for a battery of tests. There have been some other precedents for “sudden uncontrollable rage” with underlying medical causes. Wouldn’t want them to miss the chance to pick something up as he may well be released and could be driving again…

[the little onion]

Twenty years previously. 
 

Twenty years previously. The judge explicitly said that he had been a good boy since youthful rages, and that this wasn’t part of the sentencing.

It’s not much more than motornormativity.
 

[Rendel Harris]

And if he doesn’t behave

And if he doesn’t behave inside and so has to serve the full term sentenced he’ll be released with no ban at all.

[bensynnock]

I think it’s more than that.
I think it’s more than that. He had a history of violent rages.

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