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What do we reckon the chances are that manufacturers like Shimano will start making rim brake groupsets across the range again? I’m not sure who started it, the frame or groupset manufacturers, but the move to disc brakes by default is bad. There’s no reason why they can’t start to move back again when they see people still wanting the simplicity and reliability of rim brakes. Same for narrow tyres. I ride with 23 mm tyres all year round because they’re simply faster. Shame to see the death of the proper road bike as every bike slowly turns into a gravel bike. We even saw this when gravel bike races started being won on ‘road’ bikes… Give the consumer more choice! Now that this has been featured on Twitter I would like to add that disc brakes are a psy op.

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[Secret_squirrel]

ChuckSneed wrote:

ChuckSneed wrote:

What do you mean by trollish?

You are making statement of opinions as if they are fact.  Doggishly sticking to them when challenged, then getting stroppy when thats pointed out.  You may just be opinated – fwiw thats my red flag for trollish behaviors.

Road.cc is generally welcoming (I hope am I too) of new posters – wading in as if you’re looking for an argument isnt going to endear you to ppl.  FWIW I hope you find a community here.

 

[hawkinspeter]

huntswheelers wrote:

A ride mate of mine says “when the UCI loosen the weight limit of World Tour frames, Teams will dump disc brakes straight away”…… from the tools side of things…. Disc brakes keep the till ringing more than rim brakes….and I recently upgraded a Bespoke Omega Ti bike which had the original wheels and group, 21 years on….he kept the faith but moved up to Potenza and Shamal wheels…the original Mavic’s were past it but after 21 years he got his money’s worth

Is there a reason that the UCI would want to reduce the weight limit? Surely that would just make frames more prone to breaking and prompt a tech race to make ever lighter frames. To my mind, they should keep a relatively high weight limit so that there’s more choice of bike components and rely on the riders for the racing aspect.

[IanMSpencer]

When I did bike repairs, it

When I did bike repairs, it was scary how many bikes came in with destroyed rims. The ones where you have to check the website to see what marker the manufacturer users and you discover it is a solid black groove that is nowhere to be seen but the crater either side was a clue that you didn’t need to know. Fewer customers knew that rims were wearing parts than those that knew about chains being wearing parts, and that was about 10%!

You can destroy a rim with a few rides over winter, the ones where you use a pair of brake blocks in a week because it is wet and the roads are gritted. It also massively depends on terrain. Group riding can be a pain for brake wear too, whereas riding by yourself you will tend to be a bit more in control of your speed.

It’s basic physics, braking is friction, and although you can avoid premature wear with extra care, if you are using brake pads, you are using rim. If your rims are lasting you aren’t braking. I never worked out the ratio of pad and rim, but I reckoned a pair of wheels were good for about 2 seasons in the conditions I rode in, which is about 10000 miles, allowing for rotating between summer best and then using part worn for winter. On my Defy, I am on one rotor replaced in 20,000 miles.

[hawkinspeter]

ChuckSneed wrote:

ChuckSneed wrote:

What do you mean by trollish? And what is your problem? I didn’t realise the number of posts people made mattered nor did I realise you were the one policing it.

I think Secret_squirrel was referring to a problem we have with some topics being pounced on by new accounts (hence the low number of posts reference) just to present an anti-cycling viewpoint (i.e. trolling as they wait to pounce on unsuspecting posters who dare to strike up a discussion with them).

For what it’s worth, I disagree with Secret_squirrel and just think you’re opinionated which is a good thing for prompting discussion. (As opposed to the trolls that just take contrary and unjustifiable positions on road safety etc).

[huntswheelers]

A ride mate of mine says

A ride mate of mine says “when the UCI loosen the weight limit of World Tour frames, Teams will dump disc brakes straight away”…… from the tools side of things…. Disc brakes keep the till ringing more than rim brakes….and I recently upgraded a Bespoke Omega Ti bike which had the original wheels and group, 21 years on….he kept the faith but moved up to Potenza and Shamal wheels…the original Mavic’s were past it but after 21 years he got his money’s worth

[Anonymous]

What do you mean by trollish?
What do you mean by trollish? And what is your problem? I didn’t realise the number of posts people made mattered nor did I realise you were the one policing it.

[brooksby]

I’m not a roadie, and I’ve

I’m not a roadie, and I’ve never ridden tyres narrower than 35mm…

[brooksby]

I’d guess it depends on how

I’d guess it depends on how you look after them.  My hybrid is eleven or twelve years old and I’m on about my third set of rims.

But I don’t look after it (I do scrape off the worst of the mud – I’m not a monster!)

[Steve K]

Rendel Harris wrote:

Whatever floats your boat, great, for me “easy to get because nobody wants them” and “they will fit on a bike that’s not designed to take tyres that are more comfortable and will run at the same speed or better” isn’t the most resounding recommendation.

To be fair, the second one is a pretty killer recommendation if that is the frame you have.

[a1white]

IanMSpencer wrote:

I am sure there will be a market in the future, but it will be premium – boutique bike frames designed around retro bike parts selling premium rim brakes with premium wheel rims. Road rim brakes will not be cheaper as a low volume product and now disk brakes are commodity.

It will be like with Tape Casette players now. Yeah you can still get them, but the big manufacturers stopped making the mechanisms years ago so the only ones you can get are really cheap plasticky and rubbish, they don’t work anywhere near as good as the decent ones you could get. I can imagine a sceanario when Shimano and the like no longer make them, and we’re stuck with crappy cheap no-name copies put on “retro style” frames and people will just say “oh rim brakes where never good anyway”

[a1white]

My road bike has rim brakes

My road bike has rim brakes and 25mm tyres (as that is the max that will fit with mudguards), tbh if it took 28mm ones I’d like fit them for the greater comfor it gives you. I don”t mind the rim brakes as they are easy to maintain and stop me enough, but I wouldn’t use them if I had a carbon rims. My Croix-de-fer has Disc brakes and I like them on that, so I don’t have a problem with them. No way that manufacturers will suddenly start putting 23mm tyres and more rim brakes on bikes, but if that’s what floats your boat, go for it.

[jaymack]

I may have buckled the odd
I may have buckled the odd rim but I’ve never worn one out. My cantilever brakes stop on the proverbial six pence and I’ve been using the same pair of mavic open pro rims for nearly eleven years. I’ve ridden my brother’s disc equipped road bike which is great but far more complicated. If it ain’t broke there’s no need to replace it

[perce]

Me too. I’m quite happy

Me too. I’m quite happy finding new places to ride to, not bothered how long it takes, just enjoying the view.

[Secret_squirrel]

ChuckSneed wrote:

You’re easily brainwashed by marketing. Thinner tyres at higher pressures are always faster. That’s a FACT.

Even if thats true (it isnt), I rarely ride my bike to achieve maximum speed.  Beating a PR gives me a sense of satisfaction but frankly so does bimbling along looking forward to the cake stop and admiring the scenery.  The reality is that weather and road conditions make far more of an impact on when I get a PR or not than my tyres do.  Thats without getting into the fact that I quite like my hands and spine un-pretzeled by stupidly hard tyres.  I dont ride to feel like I’ve been beaten up.

Frankly if speed is your thing you’re a) already in the minority of a minority b) should probably go get yourself a racing license and find a race forum to hang out on.

Lastly – 72 posts in and you’re already on the trollish edge of the road.cc spectrum – is that really a road you want to carry on down?

[Mungecrundle]

SimoninSpalding wrote:

SimoninSpalding wrote:

*Unless you actually want to stop.

Tish and pish! If you are going to take that line of argument, why, we’d all be riding around on disk braked bicycles.

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