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    ironmancole

    Just throwing this out there to gain some understanding, insight and to generate discussion so please do add if you can.

    We’ve all grown tired of reading the horror stories, the majority witnessed or personally experienced problems on the road and ultimately this all comes down to a reasonably simple point.

    We have one group moving about in a form of transport that has to an irrefutable level shown itself to be a great taker of life and bringer of injury to a massive level.

    We have another group who at another point in time are moving about in a more natural and vulnerable state, having no such protective cage around them. Cyclists & pedestrians.

    One group is repeatedly killing and maiming the other group to beyond unacceptable levels. Government, supposedly there to make the hard decisions in the vested interest of what is best for society are choosing indifference and inaction, even engaging in victim blaming rather than addressing the simple fact that persecution is going unchecked on a daily basis.

    If we witness one group bringing death and injury to another group in another country we have posh words for it such as genocide and our politicians line up, keen to show that they are agents of valour and perhaps with the UN we send in our troops to give the aggressors a jolly good spanking. Well done us they say.

    Why then do we have this situation where our very oppressed group, the weapon not being machetes but a utilitarian object of transport, remains unprotected?

    The issue is not one of roaming gangs raping people and removing hands but of persistently unchecked and sometimes lethal use of an object that is supposed to be a privilege to use and not an irreplaceable right with no fear of licence removal.

    So, can we as an increasingly angry and frustrated group start a class action or the UK equivalent against government, not for it’s actions but for its lack of action to address the core issues? By standing by and allowing one group to keep maiming and killing the other isn’t our government effectively stating they approve of the current situation?

    Don’t we have a basic human right as a group of very concerned individuals to move freely and within the confines of the law without fear of becoming victim to the other group?

    I understand that the motor vehicle has seemingly gathered this Teflon shroud but categorically it has no exemptions from the law to protect it, you cannot for example (in theory unfortunately) use your car to drive into someone to kill and then escape all enquiry as you did it with the car and not a knife so all is fine. You can’t claim exemption as the car is lawfully permitted to kill with so I’d ask…

    Would government act in a similarly disinterested way if the same numbers of death and serious injury were instead being inflicted by knife wielding groups? If we did see that and government were doing very little how could we force them to intervene in a meaningful and forceful way?

    Would we go to the European Courts once we’ve exhausted the UK High Court? Why can’t we use our human rights to demand safety from this oppressive group? I’m asking why don’t we appear to have any legal channel in an age when overweight people can sue the food vendors for making them overweight?!

    I don’t accept that irrespective of how one group is being killed by another, by knife or by motor vehicle, that the best we have is one online petition after another for government to commend and then ignore.

    Collectively we can amass considerable resource, I believe we all desperately want change and there has never been a better time to mobilise the increasing support we have at all levels to put government in a position where it can no longer ignore the call for change.

    Im sure you must all get where I’m coming from, I don’t accept that we have to keep putting up with what is clearly a form of oppression in an age when an E list ‘celebrity’ famous for doing nothing can sue for thousands of pounds because some gossipist described their shoe choice as ‘gay’.

    This stuff is important and all of us matter, we have ambitions, people we love and people who love us. Why should we have this cheapened because authority doesn’t have the spine to do whatever is necessary to bring some sanity and safety to the streets?

    Thanks.

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    ironmancole

    Sure it’s wordy, run me over
    Sure it’s wordy, run me over in a truck for it, but either way the questions I raise stand. Why are there no legal channels to pursue when government inactivity is costing lives?

    Parliament managed to mobilise itself fast enough when the bankers went to them with their caps in hand also finding impossible sounding numbers to prop up shoddy gambling dens so we’ve seen they can act when it suits.

    I disagree such action is inflammatory, given the experiences we’ve all had can it really get that worse? Pursuing legal channels is the correct and proper way. I believe petitions have their uses but given the onslaught and continued failure to intervene with any meaningful process perhaps a more direct campaign is appropriate?

    The in fighting often on display on these and similar forums hints at some of the problems we face as a group, I feel it’s time we explored other peaceful but more productive alternatives. Tugging at the sleeves of the MP and waiting patiently for their help isn’t exactly resulting in any hint of the radical overhaul of road legislation we perhaps need.

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    mooleur

    Aside from you attempting to
    Aside from you attempting to insult my social life, can you please reference any quote I made regarding standing in favour of petition signing and wet liberalism?

    There is a difference between non-aggressive action and wetness.

    Personally, after being in several accidents in London myself, I do not want to see an increase in tension, which is exactly what this suggestion of aggressive revolution sounds like. I’m sure many people will agree. I really can’t be arsed with dealing with pissy drivers because some twat of a cyclist called him a c*** merely because he’s in a car 5 minutes previous.

    There is nothing wrong with what the CTC are trying to do, in that they are actually trying to rally support to provide the government with solid demand surrounding the needs of cyclists. Just because they haven’t made a large enough dent in the state of affairs right now does not mean they are on the wrong side.

    its time people got out on the streets and shut down lethal junctions, closed down their estates to rat running and reclaimed their streets.

    I’m the one who needs to get out more?

    Sorry for attempting to provide some guidance on the OP’s questions!

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    zanf

    mooleur wrote:CTC are already

    mooleur wrote:
    CTC are already doing a lot of (non aggressive) campaigning and doing a very good job of it too.

    If you want to help, get on board with them and see what you can do in your area, a mass “V for Vendetta” style revolution will not work, it’ll only serve to make things worse for everyone.

    So the only way to achieve anything is through passive resistance, non-disruptive protest and signing petitions?

    CTC has presided over the collapse of cycling for the last 40 years with the LCC joining them for the last 35 of it. Neither have done anything which has increased cycling numbers, nor the safety it has demanded.

    The LCC daren’t upset TfL because of the seat at its table it has been given yet TfL and the mayor need to be held to task, and with a bit more than 5 minute vigils at Bow roundabout that then skip the planned 2 minute silence, yet holla for people to join up as members.

    The CTC has actually held an integrationist/vehicular cycling viewpoint for years and the LCC signs off on crappy, inadequate design that Tfl rolls outs.

    People are pissed off with these wet liberals doing and achieve nothing of value, yet calling for people to give over money for them to do more of the same. Its time they either upped their game and got off their arses or fucked off.

    With the recent spate of cycling and pedestrian deaths, TfL’s reluctance to do anything and the mayors victim blaming and misdirection, its time people got out on the streets and shut down lethal junctions, closed down their estates to rat running and reclaimed their streets.

    mooleur wrote:
    a mass “V for Vendetta” style revolution will not work

    You’ve been watching too much TV and should get out a bit more.

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    mooleur

    CTC are already doing a lot
    CTC are already doing a lot of (non aggressive) campaigning and doing a very good job of it too.

    If you want to help, get on board with them and see what you can do in your area, a mass “V for Vendetta” style revolution will not work, it’ll only serve to make things worse for everyone.

    ctc.org.uk

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    harman_mogul

    Get a job with a non-profit,
    Get a job with a non-profit, pal

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    jova54

    Too long and too much
    Too long and too much hyperbole.

    Can we have a Management Summary of the points you are trying to make?

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