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Permanently juiced up?

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  • September 2, 2013 at 11:24 pm #19764
    Leviathan

    So Chris Horner taking the lead of the Vuelta has brought out a lot of interesting comments. I have to admit I had not really noticed him before as just another name in the pack in the big tours. Some of you are more aware of his wins in the US and one week events. So I don’t know his history, but a lot of people seem to know just who he used to ride with and who ran what teams. There are lots of hints and outright accusations. He is too old, from the wrong era and used to… and so forth. I really don’t know if any of this is true or not, so I don’t know what to believe.

    However, all this got me thinking. I can’t see how he can be a pro rider winning events right now and be juiced up to the eye balls. So the accusations are basically say he is turboing past other younger clean GC riders. But surely he must be being tested, even out of competition. Unless he is completely dumb and on the verge of getting busted then what is going on? Either this is his Indian summer or perhaps he has some lasting effects from taking drugs. Obviously drugs give you an enhanced ability to train through the season, but to what extent does this permanently effect your physiology? Blood doping seems like a temporary measure, but what about EPO and growth hormones; does the extra muscular and VOMax stay with you and for how long, years, forever?

    So once a cheat always a cheat, literally; would that means life time bans are fair?

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  • September 3, 2013 at 7:41 am #754879
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    bashthebox

    Mostly, I’m with the argument
    Mostly, I’m with the argument Gkam puts forward – extraordinary athletes can perform extraordinary feats. It’s much, much more difficult when you get past your mid 30s though. Your body doesn’t recover as well – christ, I’m almost 32 and fitter than I’ve ever been, and I can attest to that right now.
    When you’re 42? One day efforts are plausible, but you’ll then spend a lot of the time on following days stuck in the pack.
    When you’re 42 and putting out 6.3W/kg for a sustained effort and having a VO2 max better than that of Greg Lemond? These are stronger figures than Froome was producing on his big efforts at the tour. He thrashed Nibali, one of the best GT climbers.
    Has Horner doped in the past? He was an Armstrong domestique, and we all know what happened to people around Lance who didn’t join his programme.
    Is he doping now? We don’t have evidence of it. But whereas the number crunchers during the tour were telling us that Froome was right on the edge of clean human physiology, Horner is something a little beyond even that. And he’s 42. Forty two.

    September 3, 2013 at 12:25 am #754877
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    daddyELVIS

    (No subject)
    =))

    September 2, 2013 at 11:41 pm #754875
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    Gkam84

    I’m sorry, but I’m willing to
    I’m sorry, but I’m willing to put my neck out and many around here know full well what I think of dopers.

    Horner is NOT a doper. If he’d been doping, even along the way in his career, he’d have been caught up in the same thing that got Levi, Hincapie and many others.

    I am so fed up with this, oh look, he’s winning, must be a doper mentality that comes from some sections of cycling “fans”….they’ve been like that for years and will continue like that for years to come.

    It was the same when Wiggo won TDF last year and then was crap at the Giro, When Froome was good at the Vuelta and “no-where” and everyone said he was doping.

    Horner has been a constant DS for some of the big “winners” in the grand tours, Evans, Armstrong, Contador and Schleck and I believe ALL of those four were dopers.

    In my eye’s, Horner should be up there with Jens Voigt, he’s won many races, not on the scale of the grand tours. But he’s been there in the winning teams aswell.

    Look at what Jens is doing this year, break’s galore, got a win in California aswell. Both having decent season’s in the twilight of their career’s.

    If people want to spout about his doping, go do it somewhere else, he’s never even been implicated.

    So if you can stand and say Jens is clean, you have to say the same about Horner

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