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June 21, 2013 at 4:49 pm #19168
sanderville
I’m already struggling. One of the cheap fillers in my purist team has pulled out and there are so few cheap riders on the roster that I had to downgrade one of my mid-league riders to accommodate the change.
If any more cheap riders drop out then I’ll be screwed. Or seriously compromised.
I need a bigger budget. My human rights are being violated. I’m going to call Strasbourg.
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dave atkinson
wasn’t suggesting just
wasn’t suggesting just knocking the top valued riders down, more redistributing the pricesGhedebrav
It might… While obviously
It might… While obviously I’ve been loving the last couple of weeks (and the whole year before it), and the Tour is the Tour, there just hasn’t been the same scope for playing around with the lower value DSs as in, say, the Giro – most people will have a couple or more of Mederal, El Fares, Le Mevel etc. (I know I’m pretty much stuck with three of the usual suspects)Fair dos, there are a lot of strong riders at the Tour, so yeah, perhaps a value cap at the other end would free up some points to experiment more in the 9-14 range.
Saying that, would that require a proportional value decrease across the board? Certainly Froome and Sagan have been worth their 40 value in the right races. To put them so close in value to, say, Voeckler would be to undervalue them severely.
dave atkinson
i’m wondering about lowering
i’m wondering about lowering the upper price limit to 35 from 40, see if affects the dynamic of the game. thoughts? don’t forget there’ll be more cheap riders at the vuelta toosanderville
OK, so now that we’ve got all
OK, so now that we’ve got all that sorted out, can I have an extra 100 points to spend on my team, Dave? Thanking you in advance.Gkam84
Right, lets make this
Right, lets make this simple.The game is Road.cc’s and owned by them.
Dave is the guy who runs most of it behind the scenes.
This year he recruited myself, drheaton and TERatcliffe26 to run some of the races.
I sorted out all the teams at the beginning of the season, making sure the right riders were in the right teams, their ages and nationalities checked aswell.
Throughout the season, I have been making changes as needs to be done, taking out doping suspended riders, setting up new teams that are invited to certain races.
So between the four of us, we sort the game out.
Alot of the changes made before the start of the season, were made based on interaction with players in ONE thread that started at the END of the season.
So PLEASE, if you have suggestions, get a notepad and write them down, keep them until the END of the season, when Dave asks for suggestions. If he wants your idea’s. He’ll ask for them, not have them forced upon the game by pushy players.
I would say, the way you keep going on, your suggestions won’t hold much weight and will be overlooked, because you keep posting them.
Users who have played for a long term and suggest valuable changes and tweaks will hold weight with us, if the changes benefit everyone and not just the one person in the corner who screams and cries till they get their own way.
enrique
Dave Atkinson
Dave Atkinson wrote:…there’s about 500 teams in the tdf league that haven’t selected riders… As to whether they’re included or not, i couldn’t say. well, i could by going through the code, obviously. but i have better things to do…That’s a good enough answer for me, Dave. Thank you. It’s really ok that you have better things to do, really. I’m just a stickler for annoying little details that mean the world to me, like the formula that displays how many teams selected a rider, the formula you sue to value riders, etc…
I really don’t expect anyone else to care and am sometimes surprised that I get responses like dr’s when I’m writing just to make a point but it’s not really directed at him at all! 😕
I look at it at just as my musings about things on the site, not an attack on anyone so therefore I respond alittle nastily when I think someone is being rude.
I’m fine if you or anyone thinks it’s irrelevant. If you want to join the discussion, fine, but sometimes I feel like some people feel “forced to” read my postings 😕
I really can’t (!) force anyone to read anything (!) I write!
Anyways, please don’t get mad at me. I’m really fond of this site! 🙂
And my apologies to dr… All of my rambling was actually to get Dave’s attention, not yours… 🙁 To tell you the truth I don’t even know if you’re part of the Roadcc staff, a regular contibutor or just an avid fan, too! 🙂
I honestly usually don’t try to go out of my way to try to annoy people, except towards those that I think have been rude to me first, which I thought you were with your first post today … So, sorry 🙁
enrique
drheaton wrote:… You’re
drheaton wrote:… You’re just pulling these numbers out of your arse aren’t you?…Well, look, obviously I’m not being as scientifically and analytically rigorous as you are by asking your dad, but (!) 😀 , my point is not whether I’m right or wrong, nor is it to annoy you (sorry about that), I’m just asking Dave to clarify about those teams that score 0 and whether or not they’re included in the calculation for whether a rider was picked for a team or not… I’m also wondering why the riders on those teams that score 0 points cannot be seen… If you can answer that question, fine (!), I’m ok with your answer
I mean you yourself said that:
drheaton wrote:…its based on all teams given a score which means legally selected teams. Empty teams don’t count.So do these teams that scored a 0 count as a legally selected team? And if I can’t see their riders, are they empty teams? Therefore, do these 500+ teams count in the % of teams that selected a rider equation? It’s a simple clarification. Yes, they do. No, they don’t. All I’m looking for is the answer.
But, really…
enrique wrote:… Again, I believe 99% if not all of the actively managed teams still playing for the overall had to (!) and did (!) pick Froome yesterday! 😉 Except your dad… But you did (!), didn’t you?…And I think a game as polished as this one should have metrics that reflect that. Now, granted I may sound arrogant and unreasonable if I expect to get them right away, but (!) so what? It’s just an idea! Which I happen to like a lot! Thank you for reading and responding, by the way (!) 😀
And I’m not trying to annoy you, but I have to admit I may enjoy that you are (!) annoyed! 🙂
dave atkinson
I’m struggling to care, and
I’m struggling to care, and to see why it matters, enrique. the only person that seems to be bothered, as is very often the case with your suggestions, is you.there’s about 500 teams in the tdf league that haven’t selected riders, by the looks of things. that’s about 8% of the total. so if you don’t think the numbers are right you can go through and multiply them all by 1.0869, if you like. Take all day. As to whether they’re included or not, i couldn’t say. well, i could by going through the code, obviously. but i have better things to do and NO-ONE ELSE CARES.
you’ll notice that multiplying 59% by 1.0869 doesn’t produce the figure 99%, or even 78%. That would be 64%. just saying.
As for ‘stage hunting and abandoned’ teams, if you want to go through everyone’s dashboard and make a call on whether they’re actively playing and adjust your stats accordingly, based on the riders they have selected, well knock yourself out. it seems you have plenty of time on your hands.
it might seem like i’m getting a bit pissed off about this, and i am. we want to make the game better and we like to hear what users think. but if you ask for something and everyone else says it’s not an issue, and you go on and on and ON about it without adding anything, then you’re wasting everyone’s time, mine included.
you say you love the game. try to enjoy it. I won’t consider any more of your suggestions for ‘improving’ it because i’m tired of your constant attempts to get a rise out of other people on the forum and digging up old threads for your own amusement. enough is enough.
I hope i’ve made myself clear.
drheaton
enrique wrote:drheaton
enrique wrote:drheaton wrote:…You think every single team in the race would have picked Froome?! Are you mad?…Well, maybe, but let me be clear, I don’t think every single person in the world would choose Froome to win the stage yesterday, but I do think that every single player in the Roadcc game who was still playing for the overall would not have dared (!) leave Froome out of their lineup yesterday! 😀 Am I wrong? I don’t know! 😀 , but, I don’t think I am! Does it matter? No. It’s irrelevant, but, fun to think about! 😀 But, ok, just to appease you and your dad, I’ll lower my estimate to 78% 🙂 But only if I’m considering that there are bound to be Purist teams, stage hunting teams and ‘abandoned’ teams… Again, I believe 99% if not all of the actively managed teams still playing for the overall had to (!) and did (!) pick Froome yesterday! 😉 Except your dad… But you did (!), didn’t you?…
You’re just pulling these numbers out of your arse aren’t you?
enrique
roadcc_admin wrote:… the
roadcc_admin wrote:… the game uses the real data to produce real numbers…I believe that. I’m not arguing against the numbers. I am just wondering:
enrique wrote:…if [a team] got a score of 0, does that mean that they were given a score, and that, therefore, they are considered by the system as a team that has been selected and confirmed and, therefore, part of the calculation [of whether a team had selected a rider]?I think the answer is yes. If it gets a a score of zero, it still counts towards the calculation of % of teams that picked the rider. (Maybe they shouldnt (!) be part of the calculation?)
And I’m wondering why you can’t see the riders on these teams that scored 0 points and therefore why they’re part of the calculation of % of teams that picked a rider
The rest are just suggestions of things I’d like to see ’cause I think they’re fun to see, for example, the % of riders selected for Purist teams after a competititon starts.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to say your numbers are wrong. I’m just trying to understand the calculation.
And believe me:
enrique wrote:… I know there are way many more important things than answering my frivolous questions about this…admin
you can estimate all you
you can estimate all you like, enrique. the game uses the real data to produce real numbers. if you don’t like the numbers, then ignore them.
enrique
drheaton wrote:…You think
drheaton wrote:…You think every single team in the race would have picked Froome?! Are you mad?…Well, maybe, but let me be clear, I don’t think every single person in the world would choose Froome to win the stage yesterday, but I do think that every single player in the Roadcc game who was still playing for the overall would not have dared (!) leave Froome out of their lineup yesterday! 😀 Am I wrong? I don’t know! 😀 , but, I don’t think I am! Does it matter? No. It’s irrelevant, but, fun to think about! 😀 But, ok, just to appease you and your dad, I’ll lower my estimate to 78% 🙂 But only if I’m considering that there are bound to be Purist teams, stage hunting teams and ‘abandoned’ teams… Again, I believe 99% if not all of the actively managed teams still playing for the overall had to (!) and did (!) pick Froome yesterday! 😉 Except your dad… But you did (!), didn’t you?…
enrique
Here, as an example, are a
Here, as an example, are a select group of riders from Stage 15 that I would like to see metrics on, that is, without clicking on each rider individually:Each rider is followed by the % of teams that picked them (from the system) and an estimate of what I believe is what % of teams actually could have chosen them from actively managed teams (non- Purist) teams for Stage 15.
Chris Froome 59% … 100%
Nairo Quintana 32% … 44%
Alberto Contador 16% … 34%
Alejandro Valverde 2% … 0%
Mikel Nieve 8% … 12%
Andy Schleck 37% … 37%I mean, maybe these metrics can be added to the Rankings page, or the Stage Scores page…
Or maybe it could have a page all for itself!
Maybe call it the “Rider Popularity” page (instead of just having the ‘Popular’ Designation in the game interface), a page where you could have the riders ranked by their popularity and you could easily see the ‘Most Popular Rider’ in the last stage of the Competition!
Or, for Purist designated teams, you could have a page for the ‘Most Popular Riders’ for Purist teams up the very next day after a Competition starts! 🙂 I think that (!) would be a cool idea! 🙂 Or maybe just post it on the Forum?…
But I think the calculation of % of teams that pick a team should be tweaked. I don’t know how to do it, but I wish I did, so I could offer solutions instead of just requests. Thanks!
enrique
drheaton wrote:… I spoke to
drheaton wrote:… I spoke to my dad this morning who plays and he didn’t pick Froome…Your dad plays? That’s pretty cool! It must be pretty cool to share this with your dad! My dad wouldn’t touch this game with a 10 foot pole! But then again, my dad isn’t that much fun! 😐 So is he playing Premium, too? How did he do yesterday? How’s he doing in the overall? Was he stage hunting yesterday or still playing for the overall?… Say ‘Hi!’ from New York for me! 🙂
enrique
P.S. I realize I go
P.S. I realize I go overboard, but really, and obviously, this place fascinates me! The graphics are beautiful, you have a ton of metrics available, it’s fast, easy to use, colorful, bright, it’s got a beautiful design, I love what you have created! 🙂 -
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