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Giro d’Italia – Tappa 19

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  • May 24, 2013 at 6:36 am #18895
    obutterwick

    Pity there’s now no Stelvio – was looking forward to that. Still, a good showdown on the cards between Majka and Betancur.

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  • May 26, 2013 at 6:37 am #738191
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    Jonas Lorenzen

    GIR stage 19 (Dream
    GIR stage 19 (Dream Team) -10

    Awesome.. :”(

    May 25, 2013 at 11:19 am #738189
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    Stumps

    Rules are rules folks and its
    Rules are rules folks and its pointless getting worked up over it.

    Dave has confirmed that after the forum discussion on the rules for this year the rule regarding losing points has changed. End of story really.

    May 25, 2013 at 10:43 am #738187
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    enrique

    Gkam84 wrote:… IF a rider

    Gkam84 wrote:
    … IF a rider in any of my remaining races gets the boot for doping….expect him to lose ALL of his points for the tour

    Hell, then let’s make it retroactive, too! If he’s positive for any (!) banned substance, let’s take all (!) their points from the whole year’s (!) game! 😉

    You’re spilling over the morality of doping into the game. Let the points stand… It’s just a game…

    May 25, 2013 at 10:30 am #738185
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    Wig_Billy

    How is it fairness? Nobody
    How is it fairness? Nobody playing this game knows if a rider is going to test positive.

    May 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm #738183
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    Gkam84

    It is NOT pointless, its in
    It is NOT pointless, its in the fairness of the game. It happened last season and should happen again.

    He needs ALL his points taken away. Whether you picked him in good faith or not. He was entered by his team into the Giro in good faith…look how that turned out.

    IF a rider in any of my remaining races gets the boot for doping….expect him to lose ALL of his points for the tour

    May 24, 2013 at 9:33 pm #738181
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    noddy69

    The points should not be
    The points should not be removed . Everyone picked the person in good faith. If a rider gets caught after a race you already won and got the prize you keep the prize.
    The people who lose out are those with him in the purist team, much like if a rider crashes out. A person in a fantasy league should not be penalised for something out of their control. To punish someone like that is pointless and as much as I hate dopers its not exactly proving anything.
    In fact its kinda like putting in a provision where you have to pick your team on who is least likely to get caught.
    Punish the rider harshly, and look at the team closely but dont over react and get silly about it 😉

    May 24, 2013 at 9:32 pm #738179
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    Gkam84

    I’d like to know where it was
    I’d like to know where it was agreed or decided for it to be changed this year…..

    I can’t find it. I know it was agreed for people DQ’d from a stage, but not chucked off a race for doping reasons.

    May 24, 2013 at 8:35 pm #738177
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    drheaton

    letsgoup wrote:drheaton

    letsgoup wrote:
    drheaton wrote:
    Personally I preferred last year’s rules re doping DQs but the rules were changed and its pretty clear in the rules how it works so I have no complaints other than that Wig_Billy gets to keep all Di Luca’s ill gotten points in his purist team :(

    I second that as I am his nearest challenger in the forums purist league. But that said. The rules are the rules and I think Dave has clarified it very well. I was going to get my 10,000 badge and hopefully another high roller badge and my yet to get tour top 10 finish badge (possibly) if this stage wasn’t cancelled. My purist team was looking strong and I didn’t have DiLuca.

    That’s sport though. Got to take the ups with the downs. Unless your riding the Giro that is- sorry couldn’t resist. 😀 😀 :D

    I just wanted to point out, the basis for me preferring to have Di Luca’s points removed isn’t that it helps my teams, I had Di Luca in my standard team for most of the race so it’d penalise me too.

    No, the basis is that his results in this race have been dishonest and based on cheating and being awarded fantasy points for those performances is, to me at least, benefiting from doping. I agree that its harsh and that players picked Di Luca in good faith but so did his team and they won’t get the benefit of his performance in this race so why should we?

    I know the rules and I absolutely don’t think they should be changed this year so my argument is kind of pointless, but I’d support going back to the rules used last year, removal of all points for the entire race, when dopers are caught.

    May 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm #738175
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    chiv30

    enrique wrote:stevemarks

    enrique wrote:
    stevemarks wrote:
    … It would seem unfair to give all those premium players all their transfers back that they can then use on the sprint stage at the end…

    ;)

    Don’t worry Enrique, I’ll still have 6 for that stage 😉

    May 24, 2013 at 1:38 pm #738173
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    enrique

    stevemarks wrote:… It would

    stevemarks wrote:
    … It would seem unfair to give all those premium players all their transfers back that they can then use on the sprint stage at the end…

    😉

    May 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm #738171
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    Gkam84

    I thought it was still the
    I thought it was still the same for doping this year, but for DQ’s like Gavazzi was different 😕

    May 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm #738169
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    letsgoup

    drheaton wrote:Personally I

    drheaton wrote:
    Personally I preferred last year’s rules re doping DQs but the rules were changed and its pretty clear in the rules how it works so I have no complaints other than that Wig_Billy gets to keep all Di Luca’s ill gotten points in his purist team :(

    I second that as I am his nearest challenger in the forums purist league. But that said. The rules are the rules and I think Dave has clarified it very well. I was going to get my 10,000 badge and hopefully another high roller badge and my yet to get tour top 10 finish badge (possibly) if this stage wasn’t cancelled. My purist team was looking strong and I didn’t have DiLuca.

    That’s sport though. Got to take the ups with the downs. Unless your riding the Giro that is- sorry couldn’t resist. 😀 😀 😀

    May 24, 2013 at 1:10 pm #738167
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    drheaton

    Personally I preferred last
    Personally I preferred last year’s rules re doping DQs but the rules were changed and its pretty clear in the rules how it works so I have no complaints other than that Wig_Billy gets to keep all Di Luca’s ill gotten points in his purist team 🙁

    May 24, 2013 at 12:58 pm #738165
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    dave atkinson

    STEVESPRO 79 wrote:Personally

    STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
    Personally think that when a stage is abandoned then everybodys transfers for the stage should be nullified…its ok saying that people have the chance to wait and make late transfers, but thats not fair…people live in different time zones and have work committments etc and so its creating an uneven playing field…it does not affect me, but I would hate to see someone lose a Bianchi because of a penalty transfer….

    Just my opinion… :|

    we might look at it for next year, but there’s some issues that make it difficult to implement.

    the playing field is always uneven, for the reasons you describe and many more. some people have more time to throw at this than others. that will always be an advantage, no matter what the rules are

    May 24, 2013 at 12:55 pm #738163
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    dave atkinson

    Gkam84 wrote:I thought the

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I thought the rule about being caught as a doper and being pulled from a race means that the rider loses all points for that race….. :?

    it did last year, and it doesn’t this year.

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