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Controversal – Trailer for Paul Kimmage Rough Rider Documentary

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  • April 28, 2013 at 11:27 am #730145
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    NeilG83

    _SiD_ wrote: It was Kimmage’s

    _SiD_ wrote:
    It was Kimmage’s consistency in questioning this polcy that forced the Sky Show Trial, resulting in half the back room staff resigning on “undeclared doping involvement”.

    I would say that the reason for Sky having to reassess their zero tolerance policy had little to do with Kimmage, but was due to Barry, Julich and Rogers all appearing in the USADA report.

    April 28, 2013 at 10:25 am #730143
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    bashthebox

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/spo
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/27/bradley-wiggins-giro-tim-kerrison

    A brilliant article that talks about Sky’s coaching approach. As Tim Kerrison says, it’s not marginal gains we’re talking about here; having proper coaching produces disproportionate gains. Huge, huge gains.

    April 28, 2013 at 10:03 am #730141
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    _SiD_

    Gkam84 wrote:SID, I’m going

    Gkam84 wrote:
    SID, I’m going to call you out on it being Kimmage questions that forced Sky to get rid of some of the staff and riders.

    Agree – he wasn’t alone but as you can see from some comments above he seems to be the one attracting all the flak for it.

    April 27, 2013 at 11:56 am #730139
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    Gkam84

    SID, I’m going to call you
    SID, I’m going to call you out on it being Kimmage questions that forced Sky to get rid of some of the staff and riders.

    It didn’t take a genius to work out they had to get rid of some that had previous questionable doping results when they told everyone about their zero tolerance policy

    April 27, 2013 at 11:29 am #730137
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    _SiD_

    First and foremost he’s been
    First and foremost he’s been invited to the Tour de France as one of the surviving 2060 cyclists to have finished the race. They’ll all sit in a special stand on the Champs on the last evening – so to make out he’s gate crashing the party for his own aims is a bit OTT.
    He deserves to be there – if he wants to make a film when he’s there – why not?

    I think if he were picking holes in any other team other than Sky he might be getting a better hearing in the UK.

    Sky/Brailsford made a total PR shambles with their Zero Tolerance policy.
    It was Kimmage’s consistency in questioning this polcy that forced the Sky Show Trial, resulting in half the back room staff resigning on “undeclared doping involvement”.

    The man is consistent – I look forward to the day when he stops “moaning” and “winging” – the sport will be in a much better place.

    April 27, 2013 at 4:20 am #730135
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    ch

    He did a good job of holding
    He did a good job of holding to his principles when it wasn’t popular. He deserves a ton of credit for that.
    At the same he has attributed his failure to get professional wins to doping by other athletes, while he admits taking amphetamines himself. Even a hero is human I guess.
    I think Landis should be a good sport and split the coming winnings with Kimmage.

    April 27, 2013 at 4:09 am #730133
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    ch

    As the leaked information
    As the leaked information about Lances team showed, there is no way to effectively test for EPO. “Micro” doses taken intravenously will be undetectable within hours, while the effects are much longer lasting. Despite all the publicity, that fact has not changed, except that now it is public knowledge.

    April 27, 2013 at 3:49 am #730131
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    ch

    >http://www.youtube.com/watch
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ
    “Afterwards, Armstrong said he gave the stage to Pantani”

    Gee, he felt guilty. What an honest guy.

    April 27, 2013 at 12:53 am #730129
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    bashthebox

    Anyone rewatched Landis’ solo
    Anyone rewatched Landis’ solo breakaway over 3 cols to win his tour? It makes for some fantastic hindsight viewing.

    April 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm #730127
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    Stumps

    bikeboy76 wrote:bashthebox

    bikeboy76 wrote:
    [quote=bashthebox]I was waiting for the USPS-style train argument. Very predictable… can we assume Sky aren’t doping like USPS did? Well, I’ve not seen anything like this from Wiggo or Froome. Have you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ%5B/quote%5D

    Jeez, I’ve not seen a clip like that ever. I remember watching the tour back then but it was the only cycling on tv; half an hour a day for 20 days in the summer. I had forgotten just what it was like. Now having access to races all year through many channels and ridden a few climbs myself, I know NO ONE today could make that kind of uphill charge.

    I remember Contador going off like that……but enough said about that eh ?

    April 26, 2013 at 7:58 pm #730125
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    Leviathan

    bashthebox wrote:I was
    [quote=bashthebox]I was waiting for the USPS-style train argument. Very predictable… can we assume Sky aren’t doping like USPS did? Well, I’ve not seen anything like this from Wiggo or Froome. Have you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ%5B/quote%5D

    Jeez, I’ve not seen a clip like that ever. I remember watching the tour back then but it was the only cycling on tv; half an hour a day for 20 days in the summer. I had forgotten just what it was like. Now having access to races all year through many channels and ridden a few climbs myself, I know NO ONE today could make that kind of uphill charge.

    April 26, 2013 at 7:02 pm #730123
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    stepho

    i read the interview with him
    i read the interview with him in Roleur and he comes across as a bit of a dick to be perfectly honest.

    April 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm #730121
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    bashthebox

    I guess it’s impossible to be
    I guess it’s impossible to be at the top of your sport and not attract criticism from someone. Kimmage, and various very angry and ill-informed bloggers and tweeters, aim for Sky because they’re the biggest target.

    April 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm #730119
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    notfastenough

    bashthebox wrote:
    The

    bashthebox wrote:

    The question is, why does Kimmage feel the need to ask questions almost exclusively of Sky and Wiggo? Why not Astana? Katusha? Blanco? Saxo? Movistar? IAM? Radioshack? A hell of a lot more proven doping in these teams. As was mentioned above, the sight of Contador, Valverde and Rodriguez yo-yo-ing up the Vuelta climbs last year, leaving the strongest Tour climber in their dust, was… not normal. There you go, a little innuendo to end on.

    This, this, and thrice this. I’d pay good money to see Froome’s SRM files from the Vuelta – I don’t buy that he was tired, he looked good and I reckon he was a good baseline for top-end clean riding in the Vuelta.

    As for Brailsford, I think the worst you can say about him is that he’s (or maybe his management team) sometimes a bit naive. The way in which relationships were handled with the likes of Leinders (and the ultimatum that saw several leave) is one example.

    Ultimately, Kimmage is poison to the teams; either they let him on the bus for him to poke his nose in everywhere, generally making a nuisance of himself and upsetting people’s single-minded focus (which is not good if you base your whole strategy on lots of tiny marginal gains) or you don’t let him on, and he casts aspersions left right and centre. Sky’s remit is to “Win clean”, not to “ride clean” – that means that while doping is a no-go, they won’t put an anti-doping PR exercise above their chances of victory.

    April 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm #730117
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    farrell

    It was the same Sticky
    It was the same Sticky Bottle, who referred, rather brilliantly, to Kimmage as Journalism Jesus.

    That must have really got under Kimmage’s skin.

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