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  • February 26, 2013 at 11:18 am #18073
    drheaton

    Of late there seems to be a few people disgruntled with the current calendar and the makeup of the races.

    The calendar has expanded quite rapidly over the past couple of years, especially with the inception of the premium game last year, to the point where it's now bigger than ever covering all manner of races.

    This thread isn't about this year, what's in the calendar is there and is unlikely to change unless a glaring omission is spotted and a race or two included. What I was curious to know is whether the general consensus is that the game has too many races/too few races/too much overlap or whether it's going ok as it is. I have no power to change anything but I figured by starting this thread early and letting it run through the season it'd be a place to put all of your gripes or suggestions.

    The current calendar is:

    Tour Down Under (completed)

    Tour of Qatar (completed)

    Tour de Mediterraneen (completed)

    Tour of Oman (completed)

    Volta ao Algarve (completed)

    Early classics

    Paris-Nice

    Tirreno-Adriatico

    Spring Classics

    Volta Ciclista a Catalunya

    Vuelta Pais Vasco

    Giro del Trentino

    Tour de Romandie

    Giro d'Italia

    Tour of California

    Criterium du Dauphine

    Tour de Suisse

    Tour de France

    Clasica San Sebastian

    Tour de Pologne

    Eneco Tour

    USA Pro Cycling Challenge

    Vuelta a Espana

    GP Quebec & Montreal

    Tour of Britain

    World Championships

    Autumn Classics

    Tour of Beijing

    That's three grand tours, nineteen stage races of varying lengths (excluding grand tours), the world championships and four sets of classics (early classics we're in the middle of, major classics that include Milan San Remo and Paris – Roubaix, Montreal/Qubec and autumn classics including Lombardia etc).

    So, what's working, what's not working (so far) and what would you like changed in future years?

    Personally I think that in previous years the one day races and classics were under represented with only the biggest races featured. Adding the likes of the Omloop, KBK and Strade Bianchi has gone some way to rectifying this.

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  • March 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm #719011
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    chrisdstripes

    Looking at the startlist for
    Looking at the startlist for E3-Harelbeke on Friday, I’d say this would be a welcome addition to the Spring Classics next year – fits in nicely with Gent-Wev and the other Flanders races. A case could be made for Dwars door Vlaanderen as well.

    Not keen on adding a load more races, but one-day races with good media coverage and similar startlists to each other would probably work well?

    Apart from that I’m happy with it as is – haven’t looked at what races the “autumn classics” consists of but it would be nice to have 3-4 of them – Piemonte, Milano/Torino, Lombardia and…?

    Was considering suggesting adding Ordizia and Getxo to San Sebastian at the end of July so its not just a stand-alone race, but they’re not very high-profile so we could face the same issues with startlist availability, lack of coverage etc. So I wouldn’t bother.

    Actually, could we drop the Dauphine and Tour de Suisse this year as I’ll be on holiday? 😉

    March 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm #719009
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    enrique

    robdaykin wrote:.. I want to

    robdaykin wrote:
    .. I want to be able to quickly find the startlist, the profile/route and a bit of history. Cycling Fever and ProCyclingStats are great for that…

    That they are! Thanks for the mention! Pretty cool sites! 🙂

    February 28, 2013 at 10:59 pm #719007
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    Ghedebrav

    I love all the races. If I
    I love all the races. If I could change anything I’d stick in a two or three more from outside Europe, e.g. Tropicale Amissa Bongo, Langkawi, Taiwan or San Luis.

    But no, very happy with a packed calendar and am managing to squeeze it all in around work, social life, family commitments and so on. Love following/finding out about the more obscure races and it’s a great opportunity to track riders and teams across the whole season.

    I’m that person who sets up a Fantasy Football team, pays attention for all of a fortnight and then forgets about it. This is a much better and more interesting game than that (and £10 well spent on the premium).

    February 28, 2013 at 10:43 pm #719005
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    Anonymous

    calendar wise, the big
    calendar wise, the big problem for me is that I want to be able to quickly find the startlist, the profile/route and a bit of history. Cycling Fever and ProCyclingStats are great for that, but for a lot of races they just don’t have any info other than the title.

    Le Samyn being a case in point, no interest in doing it because no-one seemed able to get even the basic info together.

    The schedule feels ok in scope, though I suspect it’s going to get tiring towards season end. Maybe drop the early classics down to Strada and leave it at that. I’d never heard of Camaiore, Omloop, Roma Maxima before, and I can’t say they’ve thrilled me now I have so far.

    Are all the WT races covered by free membership? If not, maybe they should be, or have an intermediate WT membership to allow a Fantasy DS type game without needing or wanting to do the whole premium load. As long as someone who shall remain nameless sticks with his roster and doesn’t try pinching from mine for the Fantasy DS challenge then we don’t need software to enforce it. That said are there only 4 of us who’ve declared squads for the year publically? Out of how many players of the game?

    February 28, 2013 at 10:08 pm #719003
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    Alan Tullett

    We could simply have what we
    We could simply have what we did last year, an overall standard league (races) and an overall premium, along with purist versions of both. Solves everything really as the standard league was more highly valued, I think, due to the quality of the races.

    Last year I was only going to concentrate on the standard league after premium was introduced and not bother much with premium but in the end I was only a few places lower on premium in spite of not making much effort on some tours. This year, however, with a lot of races added, later in the season I would probably drop a few premium races if there was an overall standard table (races not players) to battle for.

    Quite frankly, like most of the riders, I treat these early races as ‘training’ and you won’t do well in the big races if you don’t put in a bit of that!

    Roll on the big races though, I think we all would like to see something televised instead of just picking a few names out of a hat.

    February 28, 2013 at 4:00 pm #719001
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    Benway

    For my 2p i would go with all
    For my 2p i would go with all the world tour events, then add in the popular eurosport type races like Criterium Int, Trentino, ToC, ToB, Paris-Tours for example. If there is any week long gaps then fill them with a one day race(s) or a small stage race so you have something every week.

    The good thing about this week and KBK being cancelled was it showed some people want a static calendar from the start of the season and any races in the calendar have to have some decent info available with regards to start lists and profile etc…

    February 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm #718999
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    northstar

    I’m happy with them all in
    I’m happy with them all in the overall as the people with the best knowledge will win at the end of the day.

    February 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm #718997
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    drheaton

    I agree that the team
    I agree that the team management idea, picking a squad for example and running a team from that, making transfers at the year end and managing a budget etc, would be fun but that’s not really what this game is about. One game can’t be everything to everyone and given the increasing popularity of this game it appears to fill a good hole in what was already provided elsewhere.

    If you’re looking for less effort try something like http://podiumcafevds.com/ (sadly the deadline for this has past but maybe something for next year) where you pick a squad and then that’s it for the whole year, no messing around. There are other games around doing similar things.

    The team management side of it, buying and selling riders etc to increase your budget, got stripped out a couple of years ago because it wasn’t really working. From a fairness point of view it meant that unless you got a great start to a competition you were pretty much out of contention after stage 1 because those who do well had more budget to keep doing better throughout the race. The amount of value change was scaled back mid-season and in the end it just became frustrating as you were always 0.1 credit short…

    There’s also the problem of managing the individual competitions (TdF, Giro, Vuelta etc) against the overall. If rider values and team budgets were persistent through the season then the winner of the Giro would be miles head on budget and be in the best position to win the rest of the races, that’s why values were reset ahead of each race. That took out alot of the season long management.

    I would absolutely play a game based around running a squad (I’m actually doing that as a blog at the minute, the Fantasy DS challenge) and it’s great fun. Running a persistent keeper league style squad with a draft where each rider is only available to one team and you can buy/sell and increase your budget would be awesome, especially if it were done to the same high level of quality as this game and the engine Dave and the guys have built.

    Unfortunately though, that’s not this game and I don’t think it’s possible to cover both ends of the spectrum in one game.

    Calendar wise I do enjoy Catalunya/Pais Vasco but agree some of the others I could pass on (Beijing, ENECO, Poland etc). Perhaps the best solution to suit everyone is to keep all the races but then strip a few out of the overall so that you don’t feel under pressure to take part in every race. I’ve suggested elsewhere just including World Tour races in the overall and stripping all the others out, what do you think?

    February 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm #718995
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    KirinChris

    For my two cents, it’s all
    For my two cents, it’s all too complicated.

    I joined the premium because most of the people in my league had, and the functions in premium which make it more competitive. The data, the transfer bank etc.

    I feel that to keep up I have to obsessively monitor my twitter and email, or scour the web for obscure accounts of races nobody cares about.

    I could choose not to, but then lose points in the overall table and in my league table for the season.

    At least I think I do… I don’t know. I’ve played for several years and it keeps changing.

    I want to select riders I’ve heard of from watching or reading about most World Tour races, in events I don’t need to look up to know the profile.

    One thing I liked previously but which doesn’t seem to have been developed is the rider values. I know they change slightly but I like the idea of getting up and coming riders cheaply at the start of the season and gaining some advantage by selling them and banking the points. In that sense I wish it was more like a team management game than one where each race or mini-group is considered more or less in isolation, but that seems to be against the way it is going.

    To the OP, I would say from your list I have no game interest in:

    Mediterranean
    Algarve
    The early classics apart from Nieuwsblad, KBK and Strada
    Catalunya
    Vasco
    Trentino
    Romandie (maybe)
    Poland
    ENECO
    Pro Challenge
    ToB
    Beijing

    Maybe we should have a number of racing days per year and we choose how to allocate them. Again, more like being a team manager than just picking individual races.

    February 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm #718993
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    drheaton

    Also, am I the only one that
    Also, am I the only one that thinks the Baby Giro could be a fun race? Maybe something to run Purist on the forums.

    February 26, 2013 at 12:08 pm #718991
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    drheaton

    Agreed, possibly the ideal
    Agreed, possibly the ideal situation is having more races but being able to only do what you want.

    Last year I wasn’t so fussed by the short races but actually I’ve really enjoyed Qatar/Oman/Med/Algarve so far as they give a short, interesting hit of racing without dragging on.

    I’m crap at the one day races but still think there could be more next year but perhaps they get run as individual races rather than as a group? Unlimited transfers takes away a lot of the challenge from the standard competition but having no transfers at all unduly hinders the purist players so getting the balance right is important.

    Perhaps next year the overall should be done on a ‘World Tour’ of races (ie the standard races) with the others (premium) not included? So the major stage and one day races get included in the overall but the rest don’t and that way you can just race the major races without being penalised and drop in and out of the others.

    Instead of thinking of it as punishing premium people think of it as concentrating on the biggest and best races, just like the World Tour does.

    February 26, 2013 at 11:41 am #718989
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    TERatcliffe26

    From a personal point of view
    From a personal point of view the more races the better for me, I have a pretty mundane job, so like the fact it keeps my mind active and doesn’t really take up much time for me. A browse of the web, stats etc while watching some TV after work.

    I think as Dave said on the other thread, its moving away from the overall per say, so its nice to have a full calender for those that want to dip in and out with playing certain competitions.

    Overlap doesn’t seem an issue to me, I will follow the ToC when the Giro is on anyway, so putting in a team for both doesn’t take up any more time for me.

    I find the smaller races a good challenge, especially as when they are about 4 days, you don’t get the tendency to get bored of that race as its done pretty quickly, and also if your doing badly its over and done with, whereas if you have a bad first 3 days of a GT it drags for the next 18 days. Which is also why I like the less emphasis on the overall (although i still like to do well overall)

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