Number one bit of advice for newbie doing the Fred Whitton

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    adambird

    So I’m leading a small band of newbies on the Fred Whitton in May. I’m sorting them out with a training plan and am fairly confident that, if they do it, they’ll be fit enough.

    Has anyone got any gems of survival advice you would give them?

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    whuppingboy

    I have done the Fred twice
    I have done the Fred twice now and have enjoyed both,m i have also learned that you need to eat,eat and eat some more. Im a Clydesdale so I burn alot of calories, without eating every 30-45 mins I wouldnt have made it. The first year i failed on a couple of climbs but the second I conquered them, the best feeling in the world. I dont do too bad for a fat lad. 14 and half stone 6’1 and climbing strong and steady, slowly slowly catchy-monkey.. just get ya head in the right place, stay with your friends, or get a wingman and dont leave their side EVER! (Moz) was my man and i couldnt have done it without him…and Ray and Ross. lol.. If you are big capitalise on your strengths and work on your weaknesses, i draft my mates when needed but when theres a wind you’ll find them drafting me too. Get behind the unit out of the wind….haha

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    CheshireCat

    …don’t underestimate the
    …don’t underestimate the weather, take some warm clothing, many riders failed to finish last year due to the cold, Calder Bridge was more an aid stn than a feed zone.

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    CheshireCat

    I went over Hardknott last
    I went over Hardknott last week, the descent has now been resurfaced
    , the road out of Keswick to Honister has been patched in place too.

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    adscrim

    Make full use of the feed
    Make full use of the feed stations – no point in rushing through. When I did it they were full of real food (sandwiches, cakes, tray bakes etc) and much better for you mentally than a day on energy products. Remember to drink too. There is a good chance the day will be cool and as such it’s easy to not drink enough. When it’s like that I take a drink every time I see someone esle take a drink. Not a gulp but I get through a lot more fluid that if I rely on myself to remember.

    The year I did it, it was bitterly over Coldfell and we all got to the last feed station freezing to find they were serving tea and coffee. An absolute God send. We also snuck into the heated first aid room and sat down to tea and tuna sandwiches. It was a struggle to leave.

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    Billy Budd1

    I have done hardknott pass
    I have done hardknott pass wrynose pass 3 times I believe its 1 in 3 at steepest
    I had to walk the last 200metres so spd shoes would be best Unless your a strong climber

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    Peter Consterdine

    I managed to finish the Fred
    I managed to finish the Fred on Saturday my riding time was 8:45 I was pretty new to this type of challenge but who isn’t the Fred is one of the biggest and most rewarding .if I was to give advise eat well a few hours before if you can then every 15 or 20 min or so into the challenge break your food up into bite size chunks then put them in your pocket drink when thirsty try a bottle an hour. I change my mech the week before and I’m really glad I’d I was on a compact 13×26 on my campag changed to 13×29 medium cage for the Fred and boy I needed every cog on the honister defo hardknott and wrynose passes advise on hardknott it kicks up straight away don’t get to dishearten grit your teeth and go for it try not to swerve to and fro to much before your heart pops out your chest you will be half way where you can peddle easier and get your breath back and heart rate down so you can conquer the rest.go easy on the descents you have no choice kirkstone was brill but be warned half way down at 45 to 50 mph it shot me to the wrong side of the road just watch out for that bend but really you can see the traffic coming it was one hell of a descent the other descents are full of danger so please be careful make sure your breaks are checked out before you start the Fred.good luck the emotions run wild the last section when you know you are about to finish the Fred.

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    adambird

    Mr_eL_Bee really good call on
    Mr_eL_Bee really good call on the descending. I hadn’t thought of that. Will add it in the training program.

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    MattT53

    As Dave said, don’t plan for
    As Dave said, don’t plan for the section from Whinlatter to Cold Fell to be a flat ride. It’s all up and down – it really helps if you have a group to ride with here. Don’t worry too much about Hardknott, once you’ve made it there you’re nearly done and the vast majority walked when I did it a few years back (including me!)

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    Mr_eL_Bee

    Sorry, me again!
    Get your

    Sorry, me again!

    Get your group to practise descending
    One of the very noticeable thing on the Fred Whitton is the number of riders who are very poor descenders: tense and unpredictable; or just completely unaware in the prevailing conditions and a danger to both themselves and those around them.
    Climbing is just hard work – descending needs 100% concentration and 360° awareness and is a skill that many overlook, but it’s critical.

    Remember also that the road surface on some of the descents, The metalwork and repairs on Kirstone, the rippling on the steep bendy bit of Honister, the Double Bends on Whinlatter, the 90° bends at Croasdale, the hairpins on Hardknott, especially the last one at the stone bridge and the bumpy fast straight bit on Wrynose (as a few examples – there are many more), makes already challenging descents even more so.

    If you haven’t access to anything like that, do some descending on MTB trails – the skills are the same!!

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    andylul

    Mr_eL_Bee wrote:Last one from

    Mr_eL_Bee wrote:
    Last one from me!
    It’s really worth riding the significant bits of the route beforehand.
    Forewarned is forearmed.
    Oh and remember there are NOT just 6 Passes to climb – there are 14 climbs of note!

    I find it’s always better to tackle a significant hill several times, especially when fresh. Did the Hell of the Ashdown last year, which goes up The Wall and don’t think I’d have had the confidence if I’d not been up it several times before. It was the hills I’d not previously been on (Bayleys, Star Hill) that I really struggled with.

    Not saying the HotA compares with The Fred, though.

    Good luck – I need to lose about 20kg before I even consider trying those passes đŸ™‚

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    Old Cranky

    I would recommend
    I would recommend familiarising yourself with the dibber points.

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    adambird

    Just trying to take this all
    Just trying to take this all in. Awesome guys thanks.

    Bedfordshire Clange, I can quite imagine that you could go on about it đŸ˜‰

    Sounds like we should make sure we at least stick together (5 of us) for the back section for both aerodynamic and psychological reasons.

    I’m really looking forward to it. Hardknott Pass seems to have gained almost mythical status thanks to this challenge. I’ve done Winnats, Riber and many others this side of the Peak so I’m actually quite relishing the prospect. Need to lose a bit of weight first though, Christmas was too kind to me.

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    Mr_eL_Bee

    Last one from me!
    It’s really

    Last one from me!
    It’s really worth riding the significant bits of the route beforehand.
    Forewarned is forearmed.
    Oh and remember there are NOT just 6 Passes to climb – there are 14 climbs of note!

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    Mr_eL_Bee

    The trick with the section
    The trick with the section from the top of Whinlatter to Gosforth is to get in a decent group, especially over Cold Fell which is almost always in to the wind.

    Check the weather the night before so that you know where the headwinds will be!

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    dave atkinson

    don’t underestimate the back
    don’t underestimate the back section to cold fell. it’s really draining, even though there’s no categorised passes in it.

    if you’re running compact i’d go with whatever the biggest cog you can fit is. I was on apex and 34/32

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