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Has Phil Liggett lost it?

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  • September 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm #16908
    _SiD_

    He’s the voice of cycling, we all grew up with him blah blah blah.

    But there’s a stage when admiration becomes blind devotion and eventually, as seems to be the case, where he’s morphed into a cult devotee?

    Surely there’s a point when he has to realise he’s a journalist first, that’s why he has a platform and a fan/admirer/friend second. He’s always been on the quiet side of silent when it comes to voicing an opinion on drug use, but surely he’s doing no one any favours (least of all himself) with this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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  • September 25, 2012 at 10:48 pm #702183
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    The Rumpo Kid

    And why hasn’t he? This
    And why hasn’t he? This interview was given over four weeks ago. These allegations, IF TRUE, would blow USADA’s case against USPS to pieces.

    September 25, 2012 at 10:45 pm #702181
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    The Rumpo Kid

    Don’t you think he would have
    Don’t you think he would have just said “I can prove it”?

    September 25, 2012 at 8:19 pm #702179
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    The Rumpo Kid

    Gkam84 wrote:Are you talking

    Gkam84 wrote:
    Are you talking about this part?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc&feature=player_detailpage#t=762s

    Where does he say he can only prove it in South Africa??


    From the Ballz interview:-
    “Now I can tell you one thing, and I could prove it in SA but I…I met a chap who worked with Armstrong on Saturday in Boulder Colorado. And he told me that he had a visit, two years ago to tell… and the question was, they were agents from a particular agency and they said “Will you tell us that Lance Armstrong took EPO? And we could assure that you will never want for money again”…

    Also ,if you reread my post, I did not say that you thought Lance Armstrong was innocent. But the very notion that a person is innocent until proved guilty is false. A person is PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty. Whether you still extend that presumpton to people who refuse to face the charges laid against them is stretching it a bit.

    September 25, 2012 at 8:16 pm #702177
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    Gkam84

    Yes he said he could prove it
    Yes he said he could prove it in SA. But didn’t say ONLY in SA. Considering the show is broadcast in SA. I think that’s a fair comment.

    If it was a UK show, He might have said that he can prove it in the UK.

    But maybe the fact he’s going to SA soon with Robbie McEwen, David Millar and Pat McQuaid. He meant he can prove it while he’s over there?

    September 25, 2012 at 7:22 pm #702175
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    TheHatter

    I lost all respect when
    I lost all respect when Liggett wrote in Cycling Plus* a defense of Landis shortly after his tour ‘win’ strongly pointing to some sort of anti US conspiracy.

    Interestingly David Millar tweeted on this that Liggett has for him “never been the voice of cycling”.

    *not sure who was the editor then 😕 🙂

    September 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm #702173
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    Gkam84

    Are you talking about this
    Are you talking about this part?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc&feature=player_detailpage#t=762s

    Where does he say he can only prove it in South Africa??

    On the interview as a whole. I think Phil is just airing what we all are saying.

    Who are the witnesses? What deal are they getting? Why is it being chased now?

    I also liked how he commented on the statute limitation. Because the limitation is normal 8 years within WADA’s rules.

    Tygart said USADA is fully entitled to act beyond the eight-year statute of limitations normally applicable within the framework of the World Anti-Doping Code.

    “This right no longer exists once the prosecution manages to prove that the athlete who cheated influenced the witnesses who could have proved his guilt during these years,” Tygart said. “We are certain that this happened (with Armstrong) and we will explain this to the UCI when we give them the file.”

    SO not only have they got witnesses to the drug use/dealing but now they also have witnesses who were “influenced” to keep quiet about it……

    My guess is they have now been “influenced” to speak out about it.

    As for your assumption Rumpo that I still believe Armstrong to be innocent. I’ve never said that. I will wait until all the facts are out before making any judgement and not jump on the band-wagon that you and others have.

    Unless you have read all the evidence against him as held by USADA. How can you make an honest judgement as to his guilt?

    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    Yes, he’s been “found” guilty by USADA because he refused to fight it anymore, in my eyes, that doesn’t make him guilty. I’ll wait until all the facts are out in the open.

    September 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm #702171
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    dullard

    Liggett has commercial
    Liggett has commercial interests with Armstrong – as, for that matter, does Paul Sherwen (Armstrong is a shareholder in one of Sherwen’s African mining companies) – so anything he says must be put in that context. He states near the top of the interview, for example, that Novitsky’s US federal investigation finished in February because he found no evidence of doping, which is not the case; Novitsky apparently found no evidence of fraud, which is what the investigation was launched for (though the case may be resumed if the drug distribution stories prove to be correct, which may well cause Armstrong a whole lot more trouble than the mere losing of his titles). Liggett is a confused, fact-light commentator and fact-light witness where Armstrong is concerned.

    @Gkam – you a shareholder in Livestrong as well? What has Liggett said that’s wrong? Really? And what ‘agencies’ are you talking about? I know from another thread that you trust the UCI implicitly for some reason, but USADA (the anti-doping authority in the country from where Armstrong was licensed to race throughout his life) have already had the facts and ruled on them. These were the facts that Armstrong, with millions at his disposal to fight against, didn’t dispute. Hence, USADA have banned him for life and withdrawn recognition of his TdF titles.

    September 25, 2012 at 5:24 pm #702169
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    The Rumpo Kid

    Gkam84 wrote:What has he said

    Gkam84 wrote:
    What has he said thats wrong in this interview??

    Are you serious? The whole thing is a piece of hearsay. The story he recounts is so ridiculous as to be self-evidently untrue. He claims to be able to prove his allegations, but only in South Africa (?), yet doesn’t. (Of course he could just be saying that he could prove he met a chap in Colorado, although why he could only prove this in SA…) I do not know how anyone, even the most devoted fan, could witness this intervew and still believe Lance Armstrong to be innocent.

    September 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm #702167
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    Gkam84

    What has he said thats wrong
    What has he said thats wrong in this interview??

    I can’t wait for the UCI and other agencies to get the full facts and rule on it. Bored of speculation

    September 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm #702165
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    Darthshearer

    He is a loon and I bet he is
    He is a loon and I bet he is gutted Vino has retired Olympic Champion because he cant shout that out any more. Mind you if he is still commentating next year it will be “Here is Sammy Sanchez, Ex Olympic Champion”

    September 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm #702163
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    Simon E

    He is blind to the truth,
    He is blind to the truth, just like mysogynist snapper Graham Watson. Both have made so much money out of Lance The Liar that they can’t cope with reality.

    Liggett’s apparent senility was discussed here before the Olympics.

    September 25, 2012 at 1:44 pm #702161
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    andylul

    Oh the irony – ‘Previously,
    Oh the irony – ‘Previously, on Ballz’

    If lance were racing today, what’s the betting Phil would get his name wrong?

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