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  • February 10, 2012 at 9:48 am #664185
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    Bikeylikey

    dave_atkinson wrote:The

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    The majority of high end Carbon frames are made in the Far East.

    Does anyone know whether my 2011 Wilier Izoard XP frame was made in China? Have I been unknowingly riding a Chilier?

    By the way Trikeman, not sure that ‘cracking’ is the best word to describe a cheap carbon frame 🙁

    February 7, 2012 at 11:00 pm #664183
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    Raleigh

    Can’t wait for Britain to
    Can’t wait for Britain to fulfil it’s promise of becoming the world leaders in composite technology.

    February 7, 2012 at 10:56 pm #664181
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    OldnSlo

    dave_atkinson wrote:OldnSlo

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    OldnSlo wrote:
    However the high end stuff will most probably be european, cervelo being a prime example.

    to my knowledge the only cervelo frame not made in the far east is the R5CA (I’m not sure about the S5 and P5)

    The majority of high end Carbon frames are made in the Far East.

    thats kinda sad but only to be expected i suppose.
    so is the answer todo your research into your cheap
    carbon frame manufacturer. my experience was is
    to date positive. now has anybody bought carbon clinchers
    from china (ie direct & unbranded) ? answers please.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:59 pm #664179
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    dave atkinson

    OldnSlo wrote:However the

    OldnSlo wrote:
    However the high end stuff will most probably be european, cervelo being a prime example.

    to my knowledge the only cervelo frame not made in the far east is the R5CA (I’m not sure about the S5 and P5)

    The majority of high end Carbon frames are made in the Far East.

    February 7, 2012 at 9:38 pm #664177
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    notfastenough

    Fringe: “what did strike me
    Fringe: “what did strike me was what is the difference between these frames and other ‘cheapish’ carbon frames (planet x, ribble etc etc) apart from a paint job/stickers and probably a bit more of a mark up for profit margins.. ”

    +1 I’m riding a carbon fibre frame/forks from Graham Weigh in Deeside, but when I bought it he had a load, some of which were theirs, some were apparently a cancelled order for Terry Dolan, a couple were a similiar thing originally intended for Ribble etc, which I was told were all basically the same thing, churned out of the same far eastern factory to the same template. What’s the difference between these and the scary ones mentioned by velotech?

    February 7, 2012 at 9:07 pm #664175
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    OldnSlo

    my personal experience has
    my personal experience has been a planet-x team alu mk2, £199. Carbon
    stem, bars and forks from flyxii.com, £102 (including postage). Headset
    was either fsa or planet-x, so £20. Pedalon (lbs) did the swap and build.
    The bike is good. An alternative frame supplier could be ribble, their sportive
    frames are tasty. But please remember globalisation means there aren’t
    that many mass manufacturers of carbon or alu frames and most are made in
    china or taiwan (most goods are made in china aren’t they). However the high
    end stuff will most probably be european, cervelo being a prime example.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm #664173
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    dave atkinson

    tony_farrelly wrote:Whoa!

    tony_farrelly wrote:
    Whoa! Just thinking about Dave on that Axman… it wouldn’t be pretty

    I look great whatever I’m riding.

    What? Oh.

    February 7, 2012 at 8:11 pm #664171
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    ALIHISGREAT

    There is loads of discussion
    There is loads of discussion out there if you google it -> one forum has a thread that is on it’s 5th incarnation of 200+ pages!

    One guy even visited one of the factories..

    be careful if you do go down the Chinese carbon route, and if you’re buying outside ebay. Scammers set up fake versions of some of the suppliers in order to get your cash.

    February 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm #664169
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    Gkam84

    Here is the folding one, less
    Here is the folding one, less racy design though

    http://www.axman.com.tw/product-detail.php?class_id=30&page=14

    When you look at the bare frame, it looks strange

    http://www.axman.com.tw/product-detail.php?class_id=35&page=5

    February 7, 2012 at 4:24 pm #664167
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    Fringe

    ta for the comments, must
    ta for the comments, must admit i probably wont be getting one, it was more a case of curiosity after coming across them.

    what did strike me was what is the difference between these frames and other ‘cheapish’ carbon frames (planet x, ribble etc etc) apart from a paint job/stickers and probably a bit more of a mark up for profit margins.. 😕

    February 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm #664165
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    Tony Farrelly

    Whoa! Just thinking about
    Whoa! Just thinking about Dave on that Axman… it wouldn’t be pretty

    February 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm #664163
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    Simon_MacMichael

    Interesting bike, Gkam,
    Interesting bike, Gkam, though they appear to have forgotten to design in a folding mechanism for it 😕

    February 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm #664161
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    Gkam84

    I dont know about the
    I dont know about the chinarello’s and others on ebay

    But i’ve always fancied an Axman SW since seeing them a few years ago

    One of these

    http://www.axman.com.tw/product-detail.php?class_id=30&page=13

    February 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm #664159
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    velotech_cycling

    I’d be very cautious – we
    I’d be very cautious – we have stripped cheap (and some not-so-cheap but still cheaper-than-average) carbon frames back and found things that scare me to death going on under that nice “12k” surface lay-up.

    Problems we have seen are voids, high proportion of glass, high proportion of resin, poor jointing, assymetric wall thicknesses on fork blades and crowns … none of which is a formula for a frame with longevity or nice riding characteristics.

    We all know it’s de rigeur to assume that bike manufacturers are all theiving, skanking b*stards that are ripping us all off – but in general that isn’t true, though one can always dredge up examples …

    Muppets at the UCI claiming that cheap carbon frames can be had out of China for $40.00 don’t actually help, either … out by at least a couple of hundred US, there, Pat …

    I’d wonder if the guy who sourced the particular one that was referred to in the link above knows too much about bikes, as it says in the spec “fits V-Brakes” so his judgement about the quality *might* be questionable.

    February 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm #664157
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    Raleigh

    If you go for it, show us all
    If you go for it, show us all the finished products.

    We could form a Chinarello Cycling team. 👿

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