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Will rider values change before Vuelta?

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  • July 31, 2011 at 11:32 am #13964
    Squiggle

    Are rider values only changed once after each fantasy stage?

    After checking through the rules I see that both popularity and form affect rider value so I wondered if I was to get in early and select riders who are suddenly going to become popular would I gain credits before the next stage?

    Cheers

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  • July 31, 2011 at 6:34 pm #651019
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    LabMonkey

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    Next

    dave_atkinson wrote:

    Next year the rider values within the game will be determined in the main by everyone’s performance in this season’s game. the fact that we have to reset the rider values and balances between tours, and the fact that we’ve adjusted the logic to stop team values rising too much, means that the value changes are kind of academic now. We might not implement the value changes next year. What does everyone think?

    I like the price changes – it adds a another ‘dimension’ to the game.

    I think that the shifts in price should be about half way between the pre-giro and tour levels – that way you can make a profit – but it isn’t too huge.

    I don’t think there should be price resets during the season – reward those who take part (and visit the site) all year.

    How you judge performance this year and how that influences your prices next year is very important – are you going for points scored in this years game? or some other points system such as UCI, CQ, IG markets or similar?

    But – I would trade price changes for flexibility in rider (type) choices – up to: 2xGC, 2xPC, 2xKM, 3xAR (or a combination) and the balance from DS would be fantastic.

    Also, 3 transfers per stage would be better – provides a bit more scope for team development – and/or maybe a rolling transfer system so that we can save them up and use more at once?

    July 31, 2011 at 3:05 pm #651017
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    dave atkinson

    answers are:
    1) rider values
    answers are:

    1) rider values only change on stage updates, so no benefit from picking early. we don’t know who’s riding yet, anyway

    2) we will be resetting rider values and team balances for the Vuelta next week, but like nickobec’s commented above the logic for adjusting rider values has changed and it’s much more difficult to build up a big total of credits, so it won’t have a huge effect this time around. Still, level playing field and that…

    3) theoretical max increase is 6 credits but mostly rider values go up and down only a little.

    Here’s a question for you lot:

    Next year the rider values within the game will be determined in the main by everyone’s performance in this season’s game. the fact that we have to reset the rider values and balances between tours, and the fact that we’ve adjusted the logic to stop team values rising too much, means that the value changes are kind of academic now. We might not implement the value changes next year. What does everyone think?

    July 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm #651015
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    nickobec

    And the answer to your
    And the answer to your original question, from what I have seen rider values only change on the completion of a stage. So you don’t get cheap riders by signing them early for the Vuelta.

    As for another reset, Dave will answer that shortly. However, it is less required than before the TdF when you had established teams with 200 pts to spend, compared to 175 pts for new teams. The top team might have 177pts now, not a big advantage.

    July 31, 2011 at 1:11 pm #651013
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    nickobec

    The rider value change has
    The rider value change has been adjusted as the season has evolved. During the Giro the value change was significant, I think my team got close to the 200 mark, before the reset.

    For the TdF the value change was far less, I think Voeckler increase from 25 the day before he got his yellow jersey to peak at 25.4. My team performed a lot better in the TdF (top 10) than the Giro (30th) and only gained 1.4 for the TdF in total compared to over 10 in the Giro.

    Prior to the TdF I saw rider values increase by over 2, for TdF 0.4 was the best I believe

    July 31, 2011 at 1:05 pm #651011
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    LabMonkey

    Squiggle wrote:I think the

    Squiggle wrote:
    I think the top players had over 185 credits before the tour reset!

    I was just over 200 credits before the tour – 11th overall in the Season long game – reducing it back to 175 for the Tour made selections more tricky – think they have changed the price change formula – I only made ~1 credit from a 15th place finish overall in the Tour de France.

    July 31, 2011 at 11:46 am #651009
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    Squiggle

    Another question…
    It says
    Another question…

    It says that the rider value can change up to a maximum of 6 credits (over time obviously). Does this mean 6.0 or 0.6?

    July 31, 2011 at 11:41 am #651007
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    Squiggle

    I think the top players had
    I think the top players had over 185 credits before the tour reset!

    July 31, 2011 at 11:37 am #651005
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    londonplayer

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but my impression is that even though rider values do change through this season, they change so negligibly that it really makes very little difference.

    Having said that, my total team value seems to be only 174.9 points. Surely your credit balance should return to 175 to allow fair purchases pre the Vuelta?

    Again, not that I’m hugely bothered BUT I have had a few occasions where I am just 0.1 out of credit leading me unable to make my desired purchase.

    My verdict – it will all come out in the wash and much bigger chance factors determine the overall result.

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