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  • June 12, 2019 at 1:39 pm #29745
    sith64

    my wheelset.

    So I’ve been looking for a new wheelset for a while now, as an upgrade to my stock DT Swiss P1800 spline (about 1670 gm.) ones I’ve actually had nothing to complain about so far. I’m now just trying to get the overall weight of my bike down and get some aero gains while I’m at it.

    After doing a lot of online research and going through all of the wheel manufacturing brands I know, I’ve started to look into imported (that is, Chinese) carbon clinchers.

    I’ve come across a wheelset of ‘Farsports’ and one of ‘LightBicycle’. From both companies I haven’t heard all too bad experiences about their wheelsets.

    Farsport 38mm:
    https://www.wheelsfar.com/38mm-x-23mm-carbon-clincher-wheels-novatec-hub-sapim-cx-ray.html

    LightBicycle 45mm:
    https://www.lightbicycle.com/U-shape-45mm-depth-Hand-built-700C-carbon-25mm-wide-clincher-road-bicycle-wheels-for-tubeless-compatible.html

    For this wheelset I chose a Novatec hub, Sapim spokes and a Shimano freehub body.

    Does anyone have any experience with carbon wheels from above manufacturers? Any experience on the Novatec hubs that are used with the FarSports wheelset?

    Should I take the gamble and go for it? Any other suggestions? I ride non-disc, would prefer a clincher tyre and the region where I live has an abundancy of potholes and relatively small hills (say 0,5 – 1km climbs up to 10%) that I like to tackle.

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  • June 14, 2019 at 8:25 pm #943677
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    sith64

    StoopidUserName wrote:

    StoopidUserName wrote:
    Honestly, you won’t notice a thing with 38mm wheels compared to your dt swiss. I’d go for 50mm at a minimum. It may mean the weight is the same as the dt swiss depending on how much you spend…but if you can put out a decent amount of power, you will see an increase in speed. More importantly they look better. I know a few people with farsports wheels, they seem to rate them

    Thanks for replying, will take that into account. I definitely agree with you on the looks, they are much more appealing than alloy box section rims, although I don’t really make an issue of it.

    June 14, 2019 at 2:25 pm #943675
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    Anonymous

    Invest in the best tyres and

    Invest in the best tyres and tubes you can AND importantly setting your pressures correctly for your weight/weight distribution, you can potentially save far more effort/energy expenditure than for more aero wheels, weight is last in terms of performance ‘upgrade’.

    June 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm #943673
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    arckuk

    I’ve had a pair of the

    I’ve had a pair of the farsports 50 mm clinchers on Novatec hubs for nearly two years, and have done approx 10,000 km on them. They’ve been great in that period – they’ve stayed true apart from one slight spoke tweak, they ride well and (most importantly!) look good, and make a cool noise. At 50 mm, I can feel the effect of cross winds, but it’s not too bad. They weighed in at 1503 g without skewers or rim tape. The braking is good in the dry and okay in the wet, if you remember that you’re going to have to clear the braking surface before they’ll slow you well. I don’t tend to use the bike they’re on in the wet, however. I’ve replaced the bearings in the rear wheel once, as they were getting a bit rough, but are fine now. Note that you are likely to have to pay import duty on the wheels, which with handling fee and delivery charge adds to their cost. I can’t remember the precise amount, but think they ended up costing a bit over £500 in total.

    The Prime wheels look remarkably similar, although a little heavier at ~1620g (something you’d be unlikely to notice in practice) and 2.5 mm wider. At £500 including rim tape, tubes, tyres and pads, and the backup of UK based warranty they look to be a real bargain. Plus you can take the stickers off them. If I was buying again, despite being happy with farsports wheels, I’d probably go for these.

    June 14, 2019 at 12:39 pm #943671
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    Joe Totale

    For any noticable Aero effect

    For any noticable aero effect the rims should be at least 45mm deep. Don’t be too hung up on the weight of the wheels as well, a stiffer set of wheels will be more efficent and get you up those climbs easier.  As the climbs in your local area are neither steep or long I’d prioritise an aerodynamic set of wheels. 

    I know a few people who have used Light Bicycle and all have been very happy with their wheels. The quality is as good as the branded stuff, the only issue is the waiting time for them, they can take several weeks to be built and arrive.

    June 14, 2019 at 12:10 pm #943669
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    EddyBerckx

    Honestly, you won’t notice a
    Honestly, you won’t notice a thing with 38mm wheels compared to your dt swiss. I’d go for 50mm at a minimum.

    It may mean the weight is the same as the dt swiss depending on how much you spend…but if you can put out a decent amount of power, you will see an increase in speed.

    More importantly they look better.

    I know a few people with farsports wheels, they seem to rate them

    June 14, 2019 at 11:55 am #943667
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    sith64
    MoutonDeMontagne wrote:

    That’s why I started to look into Chinese carbon clinchers because they offer deep section AND lightweight at a reasonable price. Only downside is really that I’m not sure about the quality and durability, or if I’m ready to take the plunge, that’s why I made this post.

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    Yeah – thats always the worry with these thing. Another suggestion that slipped my mind before is Moriarty wheels. They’re not really well known, but are effectively tested and UK guarenteed Chinese imports from what I gather (effectively the same as prime/planet X etc). They sponser a cycling team (Bioracer Moriarty) up here in Scotland and my LBS sells them and swears by them for performance and value having spent a season crit racing on them. If the weight is in your catagory (1580g for the 50mm or 1540g for a mix of 38F and 50R) they may be worth a look as at least ou’ll have a UK port of call if anythings wrong.

    https://www.moriartybikes.com/product-page/m5-carbon-wheelsystem

    Sadly, as the adage goes, you can have any 2 of cheap, light and reliable which is often something to take note of! I’d tend as well not to get too caught up with weight. I went from a set of 1500g RS81 c24s (24mm) to Campag Bora ones (35mm). I’ve only saved 80g but the performance difference is massive. So the likelyhood is, even a 50g saving in a deeper section wheel will make a big difference over a standard box section alu rim. 

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    Thanks for the reply! Yeah I’m trying to find that ultimate balance with low weight and aerodynamics, I guess in the end I’ll never really know and just have to go for it, to see how it feels. I had not heard of Moriarty wheels before and will be giving them a look, thanks!

    June 14, 2019 at 11:15 am #943665
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    MoutonDeMontagne

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    That’s why I started to look into Chinese carbon clinchers because they offer deep section AND lightweight at a reasonable price. Only downside is really that I’m not sure about the quality and durability, or if I’m ready to take the plunge, that’s why I made this post.

    [/quote]

    Yeah – thats always the worry with these thing. Another suggestion that slipped my mind before is Moriarty wheels. They’re not really well known, but are effectively tested and UK guarenteed Chinese imports from what I gather (effectively the same as prime/planet X etc). They sponser a cycling team (Bioracer Moriarty) up here in Scotland and my LBS sells them and swears by them for performance and value having spent a season crit racing on them. If the weight is in your catagory (1580g for the 50mm or 1540g for a mix of 38F and 50R) they may be worth a look as at least ou’ll have a UK port of call if anythings wrong.

    https://www.moriartybikes.com/product-page/m5-carbon-wheelsystem

    Sadly, as the adage goes, you can have any 2 of cheap, light and reliable which is often something to take note of! I’d tend as well not to get too caught up with weight. I went from a set of 1500g RS81 c24s (24mm) to Campag Bora ones (35mm). I’ve only saved 80g but the performance difference is massive. So the likelyhood is, even a 50g saving in a deeper section wheel will make a big difference over a standard box section alu rim. 

    June 14, 2019 at 10:36 am #943663
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    sith64
    MoutonDeMontagne wrote:
    No comment on the wheels listed, but looking at the price, you may find from a piece of mind point of view, that the Prime carbon clinchers are similar and come with a UK Warrenty. A few people I ride with have the 50’s and find them bombproof, even all year round. 

    The 50mm https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-50-se-carbon-clincher-wheelset/

    The 38mm https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-38-v2-carbon-clincher-wheelset/

     

    Thanks for your reply!

    I have looked into Prime wheels before, and what I found was if I take the 38mm version it only takes off 124 grams off of my current wheelset, though it might give me that aero advantage (mine are 23 deep), so I don’t really know which factor is worth more to me and thus which path to go on: lightweight or aero.

    That’s why I started to look into Chinese carbon clinchers because they offer deep section AND lightweight at a reasonable price. Only downside is really that I’m not sure about the quality and durability, or if I’m ready to take the plunge, that’s why I made this post.

    June 14, 2019 at 10:27 am #943661
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    MoutonDeMontagne

    No comment on the wheels

    No comment on the wheels listed, but looking at the price, you may find from a piece of mind point of view, that the Prime carbon clinchers are similar and come with a UK Warrenty. A few people I ride with have the 50’s and find them bombproof, even all year round. 

    The 50mm https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-50-se-carbon-clincher-wheelset/

    The 38mm https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-38-v2-carbon-clincher-wheelset/

     

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