Another pathetic outcome from death caused by a driver

He tried to avoid her by

He tried to avoid her by swerving, but not by slowing, which was pretty stupid. It’s like when you’re walking towards someone and one of you has to get out of the way and you both go left, then you both go right, then you stop and say sorry and you walk past each other. It was just like that except he was going at 18mph and he didn’t have the means to stop and he didn’t say sorry.

hawkinspeter wrote:

Verycroix wrote:

So, Charlie Alliston,  riding a fixed wheel bike at 18 mph with no front brake, swerved to avoid a pedestrian who walks back into his path and is killed, jailed for 18 months. Anna Edwards, driving at 28 mph with a faulty front light and on a hands free, fails to see pedestrian lying in road, doesn’t swerve and drives over and kills him, fails to stop, fined £500 and 8 points on her licence.  Why don’t cyclists use the bag of rubbish defence, or fell from the sky, or as above, the Helen Measures my life is of greater value excuse?

I do agree that cyclists are heavily penalised and motorists seem to be given a pass, but Charlie Alliston’s sentence was more to do with his attitude than his lack of a front brake so is not a great example to use.

Her Honour Judge Wendy Joseph QC wrote:

On your own evidence by this stage you weren’t even trying to slow or stop. You expected her to get out of your way. Thus I make it clear that it was not merely the absence of a front brake but your whole manner of riding that caused this accident

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sentencing-remarks-hhj-wendy-joseph-qc-r-v-alliston.pdf

I thought Alliston *had* tried to avoid her, and had shouted to alert her to his presence (presumably equivalent to a motorist blaring their horn), before she stepped back into his way?

So, Charlie Alliston,  riding

So, Charlie Alliston,  riding a fixed wheel bike at 18 mph with no front brake, swerved to avoid a pedestrian who walks back into his path and is killed, jailed for 18 months. Anna Edwards, driving at 28 mph with a faulty front light and on a hands free, fails to see pedestrian lying in road, doesn’t swerve and drives over and kills him, fails to stop, fined £500 and 8 points on her licence.  Why don’t cyclists use the bag of rubbish defence, or fell from the sky, or as above, the Helen Measures my life is of greater value excuse?

Do you know what, I can

Do you know what, I can almost understand the mentality… I would imagine its simply disbelief, an unwillingness to accept the reality of the situation.

The fact she turned around meant that she knew what she hit, but having done so, I guess she still wasn’t ready to accept what she had done.

And this is a societal problem which you see more and more… and arguably, could it be a natural fall-out of the ‘nanny-state’ world we live in.

There is so much H&S focused initiatives in nearly every aspect of our life that I believe that its all too easy to take our safety for granted. In doing so, it is all too easy to neglect your responsibilities to keep yourself safe, and also to conduct yourself in a way that protects the safety of others.

And do you know what, most of the time, the infrastruture, rules and processes in place to protect our safety work well, but this case shows you just how fragile things are as soon as you move from the status quo.

A man falls into the road, and despite being visible for a full 10 seconds is still run over. Why? Because he shouldn’t be there, so she wasn’t looking for him… her approach to driving was to commit as little focus as possible and nothing more. Normally, with everyone playing along nicely, this approach works… the sad outcome in this case is the inevitable result of testing it. 

What to me is the big problem here is that the above has been excused, no question to answer, no blame given. That is a sad reflection of the state of our society, and why we will ultimately move to driverless cars… we can not be trusted behind the wheel.

As for this lady, I hope that deep down, she knows what she did, she knows how avoidable that death was, and that moving forward she changes her approach so that there is no repeat. That at least means there is one less idle driver on the roads. 

hawkinspeter wrote:

don simon wrote:

drove over Mr Croxon as he lay in the road – then carried on driving.

Edwards briefly returned to the scene – then drove past slowly before slinking away.

What sort of person does that?

A psychopath?

• Lack of guilt/remorse
• Lack of empathy
• Lack of deep emotional attachments
• Narcissism
• Superficial charm
• Dishonesty
• Manipulativeness
• Reckless risk-taking

Why yes! Some would say that she’s pretty.

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drove over Mr Croxon as he lay in the road – then carried on driving.

Edwards briefly returned to the scene – then drove past slowly before slinking away.

What sort of person does that?

You think that the little chubster is pretty? I know there’s enough photos in the MEN to form an opinion, but…

It seems that not paying

It seems that not paying attention is now considered “normal” driving.

So, which of the political parties is supposed to be “tough on crime”?