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July 27, 2018 at 9:19 am #28771
OldRidgeback
So high viz isn’t the boost to safety some believe…
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753518309871?platform=hootsuite
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SteveAustin
brooksby wrote:SteveAustin wrote:BehindTheBikesheds wrote:SteveAustin wrote:You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.You cant record it, its impossible.
Is it worth making yourself as visible as possible? yes is the common sense answer
the alternative is to wear full black and suddenly appear out of the darkness to surprise the willing participant in your own demise.
Sorry but your supposition is completely without merit.
Firstly making yourself more visible isn’t common sense, it’s perceived wisdom, unfortunately this is totally incorrect as it has a cumulative negative effect on safety, this applies not just to the vulnerable but to everyone.
The continual lowering of responsibility of humans to slow down, take a bit of time to look, see, evaluate and then act on the information you’ve gathered has NEVER EVER WORKED. Lights, hi-vis as well as helmets do this in spades!
If you cannot see someone wearing black (or even unlit by any light) by the light of your own headlights then you need to slow down and drive at a speed you can stop well within the distance you can see to be clear and/or get an eyesight check.
Your last sentence is classic victim blaming bullshit and people like you propagare this crap, it doesn’t just make matters worse for me, it makes it worse for you as well. For gods sakes get yourself educated as to why you are completely wrong!
your arguments are that of a madman. non sensical, circular, drifting and completely without any possibility of being anywhere near wrong as they cover so many wild tangents, that you will always hit something right with your daft splatter gun posts. discussion with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, you will knock over all the pieces, shit all over the board, and strut about like you won.
i dont even think you’re a real account. just a shill account meant to drum up interest in this site.
In all fairness to BTBS, I’d imagine some people might say the same about you, Steve Austin…
hey ill admit i post a fair bit of silliness. but it is just that: silliness.
rambling madness? ill leave that to others
brooksby
SteveAustin wrote:BehindTheBikesheds wrote:SteveAustin wrote:You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.You cant record it, its impossible.
Is it worth making yourself as visible as possible? yes is the common sense answer
the alternative is to wear full black and suddenly appear out of the darkness to surprise the willing participant in your own demise.
Sorry but your supposition is completely without merit.
Firstly making yourself more visible isn’t common sense, it’s perceived wisdom, unfortunately this is totally incorrect as it has a cumulative negative effect on safety, this applies not just to the vulnerable but to everyone.
The continual lowering of responsibility of humans to slow down, take a bit of time to look, see, evaluate and then act on the information you’ve gathered has NEVER EVER WORKED. Lights, hi-vis as well as helmets do this in spades!
If you cannot see someone wearing black (or even unlit by any light) by the light of your own headlights then you need to slow down and drive at a speed you can stop well within the distance you can see to be clear and/or get an eyesight check.
Your last sentence is classic victim blaming bullshit and people like you propagare this crap, it doesn’t just make matters worse for me, it makes it worse for you as well. For gods sakes get yourself educated as to why you are completely wrong!
your arguments are that of a madman. non sensical, circular, drifting and completely without any possibility of being anywhere near wrong as they cover so many wild tangents, that you will always hit something right with your daft splatter gun posts. discussion with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, you will knock over all the pieces, shit all over the board, and strut about like you won.
i dont even think you’re a real account. just a shill account meant to drum up interest in this site.
In all fairness to BTBS, I’d imagine some people might say the same about you, Steve Austin…
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:SteveAustin wrote:You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.You cant record it, its impossible.
Is it worth making yourself as visible as possible? yes is the common sense answer
the alternative is to wear full black and suddenly appear out of the darkness to surprise the willing participant in your own demise.
Sorry but your supposition is completely without merit.
Firstly making yourself more visible isn’t common sense, it’s perceived wisdom, unfortunately this is totally incorrect as it has a cumulative negative effect on safety, this applies not just to the vulnerable but to everyone.
The continual lowering of responsibility of humans to slow down, take a bit of time to look, see, evaluate and then act on the information you’ve gathered has NEVER EVER WORKED. Lights, hi-vis as well as helmets do this in spades!
If you cannot see someone wearing black (or even unlit by any light) by the light of your own headlights then you need to slow down and drive at a speed you can stop well within the distance you can see to be clear and/or get an eyesight check.
Your last sentence is classic victim blaming bullshit and people like you propagare this crap, it doesn’t just make matters worse for me, it makes it worse for you as well. For gods sakes get yourself educated as to why you are completely wrong!
your arguments are that of a madman. non sensical, circular, drifting and completely without any possibility of being anywhere near wrong as they cover so many wild tangents, that you will always hit something right with your daft splatter gun posts. discussion with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, you will knock over all the pieces, shit all over the board, and strut about like you won.
i dont even think you’re a real account. just a shill account meant to drum up interest in this site.
The two studies aren’t
The two studies aren’t necessarily contradictory.
In an experiment Cyclists wearing yellow jackets seem to have less accidents
In a different experiment drivers seem no more likely to see a cyclist in a yellow jacket under their normal driving conditions
The first experiment shows a correlation, the second experiment independantly is looking for a causative link. It seems that drivers seeing a yellow jacket sooner / better may not be the reason people in yellow jackets have less accidents.
The second experiment does not show that wearing a yellow jacket doesn’t reduce your accident rate. It simply shows that yellow jackets do not seem more visible to that group of drivers.
Anonymous
SteveAustin wrote:You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.You cant record it, its impossible.
Is it worth making yourself as visible as possible? yes is the common sense answer
the alternative is to wear full black and suddenly appear out of the darkness to surprise the willing participant in your own demise.
Sorry but your supposition is completely without merit.
Firstly making yourself more visible isn’t common sense, it’s perceived wisdom, unfortunately this is totally incorrect as it has a cumulative negative effect on safety, this applies not just to the vulnerable but to everyone.
The continual lowering of responsibility of humans to slow down, take a bit of time to look, see, evaluate and then act on the information you’ve gathered has NEVER EVER WORKED. Lights, hi-vis as well as helmets do this in spades!
If you cannot see someone wearing black (or even unlit by any light) by the light of your own headlights then you need to slow down and drive at a speed you can stop well within the distance you can see to be clear and/or get an eyesight check.
Your last sentence is classic victim blaming bullshit and people like you propagare this crap, it doesn’t just make matters worse for me, it makes it worse for you as well. For gods sakes get yourself educated as to why you are completely wrong!
Drinfinity
SteveAustin wrote:You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.You cant record it, its impossible.
That’s why we have stats. At the individual level it’s hard to see, but over a large sample the effects are more visible. A large sample size and a long observation period should make the study powered enough to find an effect if one exists, and it seems to have done so here.
needs a few more graphs though.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:I swear drivers are like moths to a light sometimes. Lit up like a christmas tree and twats still manage to only just pass you or pull out in front of you.I remember reading an article which was discussing how police and emergency vehicles at the side of the road often get hit by drunk drivers: they follow the brightest light source, and flashing/blinking makes it worse. So there is an argument for bright Blinkies making it *more* likely that you’ll get hit by someone…
mike the bike
hirsute wrote:Isn’t there an argument that pink is the best colour?I’ve had someone say they couldn’t see me because of the lights of the cars coming the other way !
I once had a woman pull out of a side-road and into my front wheel on a dark morning despite my flashing front light. Her excuse was that she was looking for distant lights and I was too close!
Hirsute
Isn’t there an argument that
Isn’t there an argument that pink is the best colour?
I’ve had someone say they couldn’t see me because of the lights of the cars coming the other way !
You can do all the surveys,
You can do all the surveys, studies etc but you will never know if wearing hi-viz has saved you.
You cant record it, its impossible.
Is it worth making yourself as visible as possible? yes is the common sense answer
the alternative is to wear full black and suddenly appear out of the darkness to surprise the willing participant in your own demise.
I swear drivers are like
I swear drivers are like moths to a light sometimes. Lit up like a christmas tree and twats still manage to only just pass you or pull out in front of you.
Canyon48
So given the two studies
So given the two studies posted, it seems inconclusive at best.
For what it’s worth, my (totally empirical evidence), seems to point to the colour of what I’m wearing having no effect on drivers pulling out in front of me, cutting across me etc etc.
My 800 lumen flashing light does seem to get drivers actually looking at me more often.
The difficulty is, I realise my flashing front light is genuinely distracting/irritating for drivers – but, sadly, I’m having to find something more distracting to some drivers than their mobile phone, to get those certain drivers to actually pay attention to the road :/
Duncann wrote:What do you think about this study?https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753517313528
saw that coming a mile off
Dnnnnnn
What do you think about this
What do you think about this study?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925753517313528
EddyBerckx
A number of other studies
A number of other studies have said the same thing. My experience agrees with it.
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