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August 7, 2017 at 5:15 pm #27468
don simon fbpe
http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/rapha-to-be-bought-by-grandsons-of-the-founder-of-wal-mart/021688
That’s got to smart a bit.

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don simon fbpe
You want it explaining again?
You want it explaining again? FFS!
If you don’t even understand the point from a very, very, very simple title then I ain’t going to do it for you.
Chao!
alansmurphy
To bring things somewhere
To bring things somewhere back near a topic Don, who do you see it smarting, why and when?
don simon fbpe
Leviathan wrote:don simon wrote:quack, quack.
Nice back pedalling. Fine, you said so little in the first place, you can say you meant something else. It just seems other people agree with me, you are a snob, own it.
Play thye ball, not the man.
Unfortunately you made a mistake, there is no backpedalling by me as my position hasn’t changed. You misunderstood and decided to have a pop at me. I do accept your apology, in all its grace, though. That little misquote up there…. Come back when you’ve grown up.
Leviathan
don simon wrote:quack, quack.
Nice back pedalling. Fine, you said so little in the first place, you can say you meant something else. It just seems other people agree with me, you are a snob, own it.
VeloUSA
don simon wrote:VeloUSA wrote:Last quarter Walmart’s total revenue was $118.8 (£ 91.2866) billion. Just think if RZC Investments took 1% of that money and put into expanding Ralpha, lower mfg cost, and maintain product quality how it would make Ralpha accessible for many.I suspect that lowering the manufacturing costs won’t actually maintain product quality (it never does in the long run) and making Rapha accessible for many is exactly my point and glad you got it.
Rapha is an expensive and relatively exclusive brand which is about to be made cheaply for the masses. Current customer base will move onto the next exclusive brand.
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Worldwide, manufacturers have moved to overseas production to lower manufacturing costs whether it be bike frames, parts, accessories, or clothing. Product quality has not diminished, that is, unless you’re buying the lower end of their line where quality is second nature to pricing.
Whether current customer base moves onto the next exclusive brand is up for speculation as we don’t know if RZC will leave Rapha alone as an exclusive brand run by their management team, or chose the path of mass market.
We can speculate all we want, the proof will be in the pudding in the next couple of years when we, as consumers, see what Rapha is producing. Until then I wait and not speculate.
don simon fbpe
Leviathan wrote:don simon wrote:VeloUSA wrote:Last quarter Walmart’s total revenue was $118.8 (£ 91.2866) billion. Just think if RZC Investments took 1% of that money and put into expanding Ralpha, lower mfg cost, and maintain product quality how it would make Ralpha accessible for many.I suspect that lowering the manufacturing costs won’t actually maintain product quality (it never does in the long run) and making Rapha accessible for many is exactly my point and glad you got it.
Rapha is an expensive and relatively exclusive brand which is about to be made cheaply for the masses. Current customer base will move onto the next exclusive brand.
😉
Don, I don’t know why you keep digging a hole for yourself. The people who bought Rapha are not Walmart or Asda, it won’t change Rapha’s market positioning. Your OP said it had to ‘smart’ as in to hurt, as if the owner/founder was hurt by being given millions of pounds because the money might be associated with ‘downmarket’ brands. No amount of post-rationalisation is going to change your sneering opening comment.
Except the bit where you’ve totally misunderstood the point, yet still steamroller on in your error. I ain’t digging a hole, friend, it’s you. Even after it’s been spelled out for you.

Leviathan
don simon wrote:VeloUSA wrote:Last quarter Walmart’s total revenue was $118.8 (£ 91.2866) billion. Just think if RZC Investments took 1% of that money and put into expanding Ralpha, lower mfg cost, and maintain product quality how it would make Ralpha accessible for many.I suspect that lowering the manufacturing costs won’t actually maintain product quality (it never does in the long run) and making Rapha accessible for many is exactly my point and glad you got it.
Rapha is an expensive and relatively exclusive brand which is about to be made cheaply for the masses. Current customer base will move onto the next exclusive brand.
😉
Don, I don’t know why you keep digging a hole for yourself. The people who bought Rapha are not Walmart or Asda, it won’t change Rapha’s market positioning. Your OP said it had to ‘smart’ as in to hurt, as if the owner/founder was hurt by being given millions of pounds because the money might be associated with ‘downmarket’ brands. No amount of post-rationalisation is going to change your sneering opening comment.
alansmurphy
Why are people only looking
Why are people only looking at their relation to Walmart, because it’s the biggest? They wouldn’t buy a large ‘exclusive’ manufacturer to suddenly want to sell shirts at a fifth of the cost…
don simon fbpe
VeloUSA wrote:Last quarter Walmart’s total revenue was $118.8 (£ 91.2866) billion. Just think if RZC Investments took 1% of that money and put into expanding Ralpha, lower mfg cost, and maintain product quality how it would make Ralpha accessible for many.I suspect that lowering the manufacturing costs won’t actually maintain product quality (it never does in the long run) and making Rapha accessible for many is exactly my point and glad you got it.
Rapha is an expensive and relatively exclusive brand which is about to be made cheaply for the masses. Current customer base will move onto the next exclusive brand.
😉
VeloUSA
Last quarter Walmart’s total
Last quarter Walmart’s total revenue was $118.8 (£ 91.2866) billion. Just think if RZC Investments took 1% of that money and put into expanding Ralpha, lower mfg cost, and maintain product quality how it would make Ralpha accessible for many.
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DoctorFish wrote:don simon wrote:Nick T wrote:Is this like when everyone laughed at Lamborghini drivers because VW bought themYes, a little bit. Lambo used to be a marque of distinction and seldom seen except on posters. For the love of god, we’ve even got them up north. So yes, another devalued brand.
The quality tractor manufacturer
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DoctorFish
don simon wrote:Nick T wrote:Is this like when everyone laughed at Lamborghini drivers because VW bought themYes, a little bit. Lambo used to be a marque of distinction and seldom seen except on posters. For the love of god, we’ve even got them up north. So yes, another devalued brand.
The tractor manufacturer
Nat Jas Moe
Surely this should read “By
Surely this should read “By George its Rapha”, still can’t justify their cost IMO
drosco
Riff Rapha.
Riff Rapha.Anonymous
Nick T wrote:
Nick T wrote:Is this like when everyone laughed at Lamborghini drivers because VW bought them
It’s just like that. I bought a Hyundai instead of the Lambo.
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