Bianchi 2017 – overpriced?

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    IanEdward

    I’ve wanted a Bianchi for a while, well basically since always, watching Pantani as a kid and even watching the Giro this year thought the Bianchis looked amazing.

    Thankfully the Intenso mimics the sort of geometry I want, and also comes with a Potenza groupset, another tick as I wanted to try Campag.

    But… when I look at the spec all I can see is cost cutting, cheapest of the cheap Fulcrum wheels and a butt-ugly OEM FSA crankset instead of the Potenza crankset.

    For some reason the overall effect is to put me right off the bike, not to mention I could get a Rose Xeon GF for £200 less with 100% Ultegra components and RS81 wheels, including better seatpost, handlebars, stem, tyres etc. etc. The GF is aluminium but going on printed weights alone is still almost 1kg lighter!

    Have I just been spoiled by the direct to consumer pricing of the Rose?

     

    (excuse the handlebar tape colour, they don’t let you choose green!)

     

    http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o612/ianezzi/rose_zpsw25gtb2w.png

     

    http://www.bianchibikes.co.uk/image/cache/catalog/2017%20Intenso/Inten%20Potenza-900×900.jpg

     

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    BBB

    If you are driven largely by

    If you are driven largely by nostalgia, get a nice retro Bianchi frame on Ebay and put Veloce or Potenza groupset and some hand build wheels on it. The build will have more style and character than any current Bianchi model. You can search for pictures of “neo retro road bikes” for inspiration.

    No, you won’t be any slower.

    #894201
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    IanEdward

    Hmm, convincing arguments all

    Hmm, convincing arguments all round!

    I think the nub of my problem is that I do actually get excited about things like wheel bearings and nice finishing kit etc. which is why I really like the RS81s, but also the Ritchey bars/stem/seatpost etc. on the Rose. Plus I actually kind of like the paint job… smiley

    Plus this is ‘the last bike before the first baby’ (TM) so I might not have the budget to be upgrading for a few years!
     

    Perhaps the secret is to go see a Bianchi in the flesh and test ride it, hopefully it will feel so good compared to the slicked up MTB commuter I’m riding at the moment that I’m able to see past the shortcomings. I’ve never had any real objection to Fulcrum wheels after all, could maybe persuade the shop to switch the tyres for some GP4000s etc. etc.

    #894199
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    srchar

    Get the bike that makes you

    Get the bike that makes you want to ride.  Wheels and crankset are some of  the easiest upgrades you can make, likewise seatpost and stem.  And when you’ve done that, it’ll be YOUR bike, unlike anyone else’s.

    If you get the Rose, you’ll respect it, but you won’t love it.  You’ll get rid of it next year and buy a Bianchi, losing a few hundred quid in the process and having a year less with the bike you want.  Ask me how I know.

    An ex-Canyon rider now on a Cervelo.

    #894197
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    alotronic

    I would go with heart, bikes

    I would go with heart, bikes are meant to make you smile. The Canyon is a better balanced build *now*, though I am not sure I would compare a carbon and ally frame like for like.

    BUT those wheels would have to go pretty quickly – they are going to drag your lovely new frame down a dark black hole from which you will never escape 🙂 Sh*t wheels will dull even the nicest frame and you may wonder why you bothered buying a nice frame in the first place. And the seat, obvs! With thoser swapped out you’d be set for a couple of years with gradual upgrades as and when. 

    If you really can’t afford a wheel upgrade then wait until the end of the season, or find a last years model, so you have the dosh to go for some nice campags, or fulcrum 3s etc. The heart might be the frame but the wheels are the performance…

    #894195
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    alansmurphy

    Hmmmm tricky, I am a value

    Hmmmm tricky, I am a value seeker myself but everyone is correct about the heart versus head.

     

    You’ll rarely follow your heart and regret it for me (like an Alfa car) even if the Bianchi developed a little click, was a bit twitchy in the corners etc. you’d love it because you love it. The head decision developing the same issue will piss you off or if it doesn’t have a single problem will strangely then become cold and clinical in your mind.

     

    Having said all that, and throwing a massive curve ball into the mix, do the ‘pepsi challenge’. How does riding 105 compared to Di2 grab you, if you can’t tell the difference then heart wins. If the better spec components feel better then you may know how much you love one compared to the other.

    #894193
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    Daveyraveygravey

    I’ve always felt Bianchi were

    I’ve always felt Bianchi were over-priced, so had the opposite reaction when I see one.  And comparing Rose who offer amongst the best value of any maufacturer you are always going to have the issue of price.

    However, if you really want the Bianchi, get it, and you (probably) won’t regret it.  In a few months you’ll have forgotten the extra cost and be planning to upgrade all the bits anyway!

    #894191
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    surly_by_name

    Yes. Celeste is the colour of

    Yes. Celeste is the colour of “overpriced”.

    I don’t understand why anyone would buy a frame from an Italian brand at or near full RRP. On the other hand, I can’t help admire the built-wholly-on-bullshit “heritage” premium they command. I can understand why you might pay a lot of money for a truly bespoke bicycle, one built for you by hand from scratch. But I don’t understand why there is any romance associated with a frame that is manufactured in Taiwan. This is not a dig at Taiwanese manufacturing prowess or at the (more often than not, superlative) quality of frames manufactured in Taiwan. Taiwan is the leader in carbon bicycle manufacture. But just because a frame gets a special shade of blue green doesn’t suddenly imbue it with the ghostly presence of Fausto Coppi thus justifying paying more than an equivalently performing bicycle.

    Leaving aside the colour, that Bianchi looks a bit minging by virtue of black pie plate, ugly saddle and lots of spacers under the stem. Rose always seem to go out of their way to paint their bikes in a manner that combines offensively boring with borderline ugly. I prefer Canyon, although they don’t look so exciting either.

    #894189
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    700c

    Regardless it has an FSA

    Regardless it has an FSA cransket so not going to be any issue with campag tools – only the cassette has a different lockring tool to shimano. And anyway, as above, Ultra Torque uses 10mm hex key on the cranks and is v easy to maintain and install IME.

    As for the OP I’m inclined to agree – the Bianchi package is poorer value but looks nicer. I wonder if you could get a frameset and spec it up youself?

    #894187
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    G1989

    Not true on the tools.  The

    Not true on the tools.  The old power torque cranks needed a puller to remove but Campag have seen sense and discontinued it.  Potenza crank has a self extracting arm and apparently the new version of this group and the new entry leve Centaur which will replace Veloce will be ultra torque, in line with Chorus, record and super record. All you need for service is Allen and torx keys.

    Regarding the cassette, super record is designed for racing, with titanium sprockets on the larger cogs, which are lighter and wear faster. I guess the theory is either you’re racing and the miniscule weight saving is worthwhile ; you’re sponsored and don’t pay for them ;  you’re a recreational rider buying super record and cost is less of a factor.  If you shop around you can get 11 speed Chorus which is 50g heavier for less than £80.  Lasts ages and no difference in shifting quality.

    #894185
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    sergius

    Don’t assume the Rose frame

    Don’t assume the Rose frame is so much worse than the Bianchi, they are consistently reviewed very well.  The biggest issue I have with them is their paint jobs are often rather lacking.  My Xeon CDX looks pretty nice (to me anyway!), but some of their paint jobs on other models are awful.

     

    For me Campag would be a negative; a lot more expensive for no perceiveable benefit, and you need an new set of tools for Campag maintenance as they decided to be difficult.  

    A friend has Super Record on his best bike, there is no difference in shifting quality between that and my Ultegra Di2 – I prefer my electronic shifting by some margin.  No doubt Super Record is lighter, but £1000? for what can only be 300g or so? (Going on commonly found sale prices for SR vs Ultegra Di2)

     

    And spares are extorsionate – £180+ for a cassette??

    #894183
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    velochris

    A tricky one.
    A tricky one.

    Like you, I’ve always had a thing for a celeste Bianchi. For the last couple of years I had a BMC Granfondo in matte back. This was an excellent bike that matched everything I wanted except….

    It looked a bit dull. I kept seeing the Infinito in gloss celeste and waited until the end of last year before buying the frameset pre price rise and a small discount. It was still expensive, though not quite on the Colnago or Pinarello league.

    I know it doesn’t perform any better than the BMC. However, it just looks so good I get enjoyment from looking at it and cleaning it.

    There are better bikes but I do not regret changing.

    If you really want a Bianchi I would try to wait until the end of the summer. Chances are you will get one with a good 300-500 discount.

    #894181
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    StraelGuy

    Totally agree with Simon, the
    Totally agree with Simon, the Rose has a better spec but you’d spend every minute you owned it wishing it was Celeste green and Italian… Get the Bianchi and upgrade the wheels when they’re worn out or you’re fed up of them.

    #894179
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    simonmb

    A lot of what we buy in

    A lot of what we buy in cycling we buy for emotional rather than impassive reasons. Everyone has their reasons for paying over and above a product’s material worth. But, as long as you’ve worked it out and have come to terms with it, then it’s okay. For most of us cycling is an emotive passion, a dream, an escape.

    For this reason I’d prefer to ride a Bianchi, and for me it’d be worth paying the extra – although I’d swap out the wheels for something better.

    #894177
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    IanEdward

    Ha, yes, it’s definitely a

    Ha, yes, it’s definitely a head over heart issue I think, confused by the fact that my heart doesn’t know which it wants more, a pretty Italian frame or a good component spec!

    I’ve spent so long obsessing over having good brakes and good wheels, I think for the money it has to be the Rose, worse yet I think that pink bar tape is actually growing on me…

    #894175
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    sergius

    Head over heart perhaps.

    Head over heart perhaps.

     

    I’ve a Rose bike that I’m very happy with, you get a lot of bang for your buck.  I’m toying with replacing my winter bike atm, the value of Canyon or Rose is hard to beat.

     

    My main concern is a the aftersales dramas you hear about with Canyon – I have to say I had no worries with Rose in that respect – though I did have to wait a while for the parts to be available.

    Rose also let you customise, Canyon don’t.  I still prefer the look of a Canyon inflite over the Cannondale or Rose equivs.  A Mason would be nice – but it’s close to double the price for something I hope not to ride to often!

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