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Wheels: wide, aero, alloy – is it a case of “pick 2”?

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  • February 9, 2017 at 11:45 am #26765
    s_lim

    I’ve only got a modest budget, and am looking for a set of wide, deep wheels. 

    I currently run 2 wheelsets:

    1. H Plus Son Archetypes on Hope RS hubs. These roll like a dream, corner on rails, but don’t hold speed
    2. Prolite Bracchiano a42. They are faster but narrower, and are more prone to punctures due to the lightbulb effect on the tyres. Plus they’re noisy in a not-very-nice way – they sound like a bag of spanners on most roads. 

    Im not too worried about weight – I’m 85kg – but I want something fast that isn’t hugely expensive. Not a big fan of cheap carbon on Novatec hubs – have seen them failing with guys in my club.

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  • February 11, 2017 at 5:35 pm #886789
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    beezus fufoon

    s_lim wrote:

    s_lim wrote:
    peted76 wrote:
    It’s all about the budget though… what’s yours?
    This is the thing, it depends. I could stretch to about 1k if I could find someone offering pay monthly / finance. Fulcrum racing Quattro 40mm look decent on Wiggle.

    fatbirds do a decent 0% finance

    http://www.fatbirds.co.uk/components/wheels

    February 11, 2017 at 5:09 pm #886787
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    s_lim

    peted76 wrote:

    peted76 wrote:
    It’s all about the budget though… what’s yours?

    This is the thing, it depends. I could stretch to about 1k if I could find someone offering pay monthly / finance.

    Fulcrum racing Quattro 40mm look decent on Wiggle.

    February 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm #886785
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    sergius
    allanj wrote:
    Beaten to it by Blackhound, Hunt worth a look for wide/aero/light and not too dear.  They were struggling to keep up with orders with long waits earlier in the year but that seems to be not so bad now- worth checking though.  Those that have them are happy with them from what I’ve heard.

    Mavic Cosmic Pro range (2017 models) also look good, from a more established manufacturer, but more expensive.

     

    I spent a lot of time comparing the Cosmics with the equivilent Hunt wheels.  The 2017 Mavic range has two models (when considering 50mm aero disc wheels), the base Cosmic Pros are ~1800g and ~£800, the higher end Cosmic Pro SLs are ~1500g and about £1300.

    The Hunt ones are £1100 and ~1450g – I’ve ordered myself a set which I’m eagerly awaiting 🙂

    February 11, 2017 at 2:59 pm #886783
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    allanj

    Beaten to it by Blackhound,

    Beaten to it by Blackhound, Hunt worth a look for wide/aero/light and not too dear.  They were struggling to keep up with orders with long waits earlier in the year but that seems to be not so bad now- worth checking though.  Those that have them are happy with them from what I’ve heard.

    Mavic Cosmic Pro range (2017 models) also look good, from a more established manufacturer, but more expensive.

    February 11, 2017 at 1:13 pm #886781
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    Blackhound

    Hunt wheels do wide and aero
    Hunt wheels do wide and aero with alloy or carbon rims depending on budget.

    February 11, 2017 at 12:02 am #886779
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    OR_biker

    I don’t know how expensive it

    I don’t know how expensive it would be for shipping, but trisports.com has some good prices on Profile Design wheels.  The 58/TwentyFour series look pretty nice, but they also have the new and more value-minded 1/Fifty wheelset for $750 (USD).

    I think I’ve seen a few “wide, aero, alloy” wheels while searching online the last few months, but from reviews they sound like the weight would be noticeable even for someone like me (93kg), but even worse the ride quality is apparently crap.  Hard to know for sure without being able to try for myself but it does make me wary, especially when you can shop around and find wheels with a better reputation for not a whole lot more usually.

    February 10, 2017 at 3:48 pm #886777
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    HowardR

    If your rims are less than

    If your rims are less than 25mm wide and your tyres less than 32 mm in with you will either  fall off through lack or traction or be  shaken to bits –  Either way you will DIE.

    If you do not have disk brakes you never be able to stop and you will DIE.

    If your rims are less than 50 MM deep you will never be able to attain a speed of more than 20 km/h –  If you try  to reach that speed you will become exhausted and DIE.

    If you don’t use a tubeless system  your tyres will explode and you will DIE

     

    I know all of the above to true because I read it on the internot…

     

    Sorry! – It’s been one of those days.

     

    February 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm #886775
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    matthewn5

    Dont believe the hype!

    Dont believe the hype! Cyclists have ridden millions of miles on narrow rims without getting more or fewer p*nctures than they do on wide rims. I remember riding on wide rims back in the 60s getting p*nctures all the time. IMO it’s the quality of the tyre, and the sharpness of the pu*ncture-causing item, that’s important.

    Snakebite p*nctures maybe, but unless you have a very wide rim and a comparatively narrow tyre you’ll always get something of a ‘lightbulb’ effect. It’s more of concern for aerodynamics.

    February 10, 2017 at 2:03 pm #886773
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    BBB

    I’ve seen riders not being

    I’ve seen riders not being able to hold seed but never wheels.

    February 9, 2017 at 4:50 pm #886771
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    Anthony.C
    philhubbard wrote:
    Might be worth taking a look at some of the Cero wheels particularly this bargain; https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/products/wheels/wheelsets/cero-ar30-alloy-clincher-wheelset-7419  I’ve been using the shallower version for about 7500miles so far with no issues

    He did say he wants a wide rim these are 13.6 mm, that’s very narrow.

    February 9, 2017 at 4:39 pm #886769
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    peted76

    The speed thing is relative..

    The speed thing is relative.. a heavier rim on set of wheels, on the flat or downhill requires less force to keep the momentum going. You sacrifice that momentum when you convert wheel weight from being useful as soon as you go up hill and therein lies the issue.. 

    Light, deep section, cross wind cheating wheels…. (the wide thing is almost defacto now). Most people would be happy with a 30-40mm deep wheel as an ‘all rounder’, you get a little bit of aero, and keep the weight down by not having to account for deeper rims. I think any person who knows will tell you that hubs are a massive factor in wheels, your hope hubs and archetype rims should be a very nice wheelset. However your Prolite Bracchiano wheels are just cheap wheels.

    It’s all about the budget though… what’s yours?

     

    February 9, 2017 at 3:48 pm #886767
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    s_lim

    With what are you

    <q>With what are you comparing the H Son Archetypes when you say they don’t hold speed?</q>

    Compared to the Bracchianos – I found when racing, once getting up to speed, you had to put more effort in to hold a high speed than I did with the deeper set. I don’t have qualitative data, just feel. 

    February 9, 2017 at 3:43 pm #886765
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    philhubbard

    Might be worth taking a look

    Might be worth taking a look at some of the Cero wheels particularly this bargain; https://www.cycledivision.co.uk/products/wheels/wheelsets/cero-ar30-alloy-clincher-wheelset-7419  I’ve been using the shallower version for about 7500miles so far with no issues

    February 9, 2017 at 3:26 pm #886763
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    Simon E

    Does a ‘lightbulb’ shaped

    Does a ‘lightbulb’ shaped tyre really suffer more punctures?

    With what are you comparing the H Son Archetypes when you say they don’t hold speed?

    And yes, Keith Bontrager’s maxim still applies.

    February 9, 2017 at 2:58 pm #886761
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    CXR94Di2

    Look at Yoeleo from China.
    Look at Yoeleo from China. You can get a variety of aero rims with DT Swiss hubs or use their own hubs.

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