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Frozen Brakes? Croix De Fer

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  • February 4, 2015 at 2:23 pm #23184
    IRISHGENIUS

    On my ride to work this morning the disc brakes(rear) on my Croix De Fer stuck, i.e. wouldn’t compress, and when finally they did I needed to pull the cable to separate them. I have just checked them now… a few hours later and now maybe 6C warmer and they are working. Did they freeze this morning, it was just under minus 2? Is there anything to do to stop this?

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  • February 12, 2015 at 5:15 pm #830631
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    Dantenspeed

    For what it’s worth, my
    For what it’s worth, my callipers froze open last week. That was an ‘interesting’ first stop…

    February 12, 2015 at 9:44 am #830629
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    surly_by_name

    andyp wrote:It’s almost

    andyp wrote:
    It’s almost certainly more to do with being able to charge more for hydraulics, which then has a knock-on effect of some people having to buy more tools, or go to their bike shop for maintenance rather than doing it themselves.

    Are you really, honestly suggesting that the near ubiquity of hydraulic disc brakes on mountain bikes is a result of manufacturers looking to charge more for something? Rather than the fact that they simply work better (without too much rounding, about a million times better) than what went before? I imagine you know who really shot Kennedy?

    You really can’t buy a bike made for proper mountain biking without hydros. You can buy a bike that you can ride off road with varying degrees of enjoyment/safety with cable actuated discs.

    Hydros are cheap – yes you can get a pair of v brakes cheaper but you can buy any old crap for next to nothing if you want (and it’s cycling – if you want to spend a fortune on V brakes or cantis, it’s pretty easy to do so). Provided you don’t have internal cable routing, hydros are also easy to set up, simpler than v brakes and far easier than cantis. And they are low maintenance. People worry about bleeding them but it’s a rare occurrence, certainly when compared with the need to change brake cables (inners and outers) on a bike ridden off road in the winter.

    Changing subjects for a minute – I don’t imagine Surly did anything that they would ever describe as “research”. Other than potentially on beer.

    February 12, 2015 at 8:46 am #830627
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    andyp

    ‘Anyway, point stands’
    No, it
    ‘Anyway, point stands’

    No, it doesn’t. Not in the slightest.

    I’d further argue that ‘Stuff like this is why…’ is totally wide of the mark too. That’s much less provable, of course. The slight possibility of frozen brakes if you don’t keep them clean quite possibly doesn’t come into the equation. It’s almost certainly more to do with being able to charge more for hydraulics, which then has a knock-on effect of some people having to buy more tools, or go to their bike shop for maintenance rather than doing it themselves.

    February 11, 2015 at 10:10 pm #830625
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    jacknorell

    spj7 wrote:Don’t some of the

    spj7 wrote:
    Don’t some of the more adventure-related fatbike manufacturers (e.g. Surly) spec cable discs on the basis that they are in fact less likely to suffer from low temperature-related problems?

    Looking at the cable discs they offer as standard it certainly doesn’t look like cost cutting either as BB7s will cost at least as much as decent mid-level hydros if you are buying OEM. I’d back their judgement/experience.

    You’re right, they’re split between SRAM Guide and Avid BB7. I’m thinking the latter is due to finding replacement parts easily as cables are a bit easier to source and fix than torn hoses!

    February 11, 2015 at 10:00 pm #830623
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    spj7

    Don’t some of the more
    Don’t some of the more adventure-related fatbike manufacturers (e.g. Surly) spec cable discs on the basis that they are in fact less likely to suffer from low temperature-related problems?

    Looking at the cable discs they offer as standard it certainly doesn’t look like cost cutting either as BB7s will cost at least as much as decent mid-level hydros if you are buying OEM. I’d back their judgement/experience.

    February 11, 2015 at 9:59 pm #830621
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    IRISHGENIUS

    crikey wrote:The manly

    crikey wrote:
    The manly solution is to place the bike on its side then urinate on the frozen bit. .

    you are taking the piss :))

    February 11, 2015 at 9:59 pm #830619
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    IRISHGENIUS

    crikey wrote:The manly

    crikey wrote:
    The manly solution is to place the bike on its side then urinate on the frozen bit. .

    you are taking the piss :))

    February 11, 2015 at 4:34 pm #830617
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    glynr36

    Keep them clean and
    Keep them clean and maintained and it won’t be an issue thats all.
    Riding in the winter means a bike needs some more tlc.

    February 11, 2015 at 4:00 pm #830615
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    jacknorell

    andyp wrote:please define

    andyp wrote:
    please define ‘quality pricepoint’ and ‘serious’?

    I don’t know, £600 plus for a hardtail?

    Serious = not a BSO. Same as above.

    Anyway, point stands, even the new Deore hydraulics are really good and cheap as chips (can be had for less than £40 ea, OEM would be much less).

    February 11, 2015 at 3:31 pm #830613
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    andyp

    please define ‘quality
    please define ‘quality pricepoint’ and ‘serious’?

    February 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm #830611
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    jacknorell

    andyp wrote:jacknorell

    andyp wrote:
    jacknorell wrote:
    Stuff like this is why you don’t find cable discs on mountainbikes…

    You do, of course, find cable discs on mountain bikes. Mine have been fine down to -20.

    As you were.

    Any sold in the last 5 years or so at a quality pricepoint?

    Sure, yes, some will exist, but they’re not exactly specced on anything serious anymore, are they?

    February 11, 2015 at 3:25 pm #830609
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    andyp

    Yes, but I suspect that the
    Yes, but I suspect that the likes of Surly have done some research on the matter. They’d be much better off listening to internet nonsense and going hydraulic.

    February 11, 2015 at 3:09 pm #830607
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    andyp

    jacknorell wrote:Stuff like

    jacknorell wrote:
    Stuff like this is why you don’t find cable discs on mountainbikes…

    You do, of course, find cable discs on mountain bikes. Mine have been fine down to -20.

    As you were.

    February 11, 2015 at 3:05 pm #830605
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    jacknorell

    Stuff like this is why you
    Stuff like this is why you don’t find cable discs on mountainbikes… with hydraulics it’s a non-issue.

    The tip about packing the final loop with waterproof grease sounds like a good one, if a bit maintenance heavy. Can you do full-length outers for winter?

    February 11, 2015 at 2:57 pm #830603
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    crikey

    The manly solution is to
    The manly solution is to place the bike on its side then urinate on the frozen bit. Or use caliper brakes.

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