Interesting post from Wilier on fakes

crikey wrote:Chickens have

crikey wrote:

Chickens have come home to roost.

Bike companies are at least partly blame for the whole situation. The whole idea of buying stuff made cheaply elsewhere and putting your stickers and paint job on it is the business model adopted by a large number of firms in the bike industry.

I don’t think you can blame the bike companies for the complete disregard a lot of Chinese manufacturing firms have for any intellectual property rights.

This isn’t a model “adopted by a large number of firms in the bike industry” as you suggest. It’s the model adopted by every single one of them. Selling things for more than they cost to make is generally how business works. If you made something for a living, you would expect to get paid for it at a price the market can bear, or is appropriate for the product. In this regard Wilier are completely correct to charge what they do. You don’t like the price, don’t buy it.

Fair trade bicycles should
Fair trade bicycles should only be purchased so as to make sure they are ethical from carbon to road bike… Produced only in countries where freedom Is respected and all at an affordable price ah oh well that’s nowhere in the world then…. Bloody capitalist and bloody communists ah bloody humans! 8}

So basically Willier are
So basically Willier are telling us there are marginal differences between a fake and a real frame?

notfastenough wrote:Crikey

notfastenough wrote:

Crikey has a point. I get that many products and services need to be outsourced and/or offshored to keep the brand company competitive, but if you outsource your proprietary designs to a country famous for a. it’s widespread counterfeiting, and b. evidence that even the state colludes in this practise, with efforts to hack into overseas computer systems being traced to Chinese government sources, can a company really be surprised to then find counterfeit products being made available?

As opposed a country like ours that colludes in mass surveillance of its own citizens including capturing private webcam imagery? Or maybe that’s okay, and it’s our bombing and torturing of overseas nationals in cooked up neo-con war plots that you have issue with? Perhaps you don’t mind that but are opposed to the way we’re run by corporate interests, landed gentry and a bunch of self-serving career politicians ensuring wealth inequality widens?

Take your red scare sanctimony elsewhere please.

Chickens have come home to
Chickens have come home to roost.

Bike companies are at least partly blame for the whole situation. The whole idea of buying stuff made cheaply elsewhere and putting your stickers and paint job on it is the business model adopted by a large number of firms in the bike industry.